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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #1 from Fragano Ledgister </title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister  on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll have to remember not to do things like break into my own house. That's the sort of thing for which I could get arrested.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  3:34 PM by Fragano Ledgister &lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #2 from beth meacham</title>
         <description>comment from beth meacham on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a spectacular demonstration of systemic racism. </p>

<p>It also demonstrates that if you want to run a bike-stealing ring, recruit a bunch of pretty girls.  Would almost certainly work with cars, too.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  3:58 PM by beth meacham&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #3 from Michael Weholt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Fragano Ledgister #1:</p>

<p>You could have a healing Beer Summit!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  5:17 PM by Michael Weholt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #4 from Avram</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Fragano @1</b>, yeah, that sort of thing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy" rel="nofollow">has been known to happen</a>. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  5:18 PM by Avram&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #5 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Fragano is well aware of that and was implicitly referring to it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  6:13 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #6 from Lee</title>
         <description>comment from Lee on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you're black, you can be arrested even if you have the key to the house you're buying. I don't have that link handy at the moment, but I do have <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03/howard-morgan-ex-cop-shot_n_1399834.html" rel="nofollow">this one</a> -- even being a cop won't save you if you're black and not in uniform. <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  6:18 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #7 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee #6</p>

<p>I recall the case you're thinking of, Lee, but without recalling the gentleman's name it's hard to google.</p>

<p>So I'll give you this one instead:  <a href="http://wonkette.com/449148/black-man-arrested-fired-from-job-for-trying-to-cash-large-check" rel="nofollow">Black Man Arrested, Fired From Job For Trying To Cash Large Check</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  6:40 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #8 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just two seconds later, found the story:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/couple-held-at-gunpoint-arrested-after-buying-home/nQTDK/" rel="nofollow">Couple held at gunpoint, arrested after buying home</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  6:43 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #9 from Fragano Ledgister </title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister  on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth Meacham #2: Recruit a bunch of pretty <i>white</i> girls. That's crucial.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  7:28 PM by Fragano Ledgister &lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #10 from Fragano Ledgister </title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister  on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Weholt #3: I'd need presidential intervention for that.</p>

<p>Avram #4: See PNH's #5.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  7:29 PM by Fragano Ledgister &lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #11 from Fragano Ledgister </title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister  on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Macdonald #7: That is rifuckingdiculous.  I am willing to bet that the idiot who started the whole thing not only still has a job but probably feels aggrieved that anyone made a fuss about it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  7:32 PM by Fragano Ledgister &lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #12 from Fragano Ledgister </title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister  on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee/Jim: I remember that story. There are parts of Georgia where the darkness has not lifted.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  7:34 PM by Fragano Ledgister &lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #13 from Jim Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from Jim Macdonald on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check me if I'm wrong, but "profiling" is the high-tech word for "prejudice," right?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  8:14 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #14 from beth meacham</title>
         <description>comment from beth meacham on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frangano @9 -- you are correct. <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  9:25 PM by beth meacham&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #15 from Lee</title>
         <description>comment from Lee on 19.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>beth, #2/#9: I had an interesting discussion once with a friend (my age, also white and middle-class) about how, if we were so inclined, we could make a shit-ton of money as drug mules. Whitebread soccer-mom types driving mini-vans? We'd never get pulled over in a million years. <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 19, 2013  9:43 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #16 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 20.Jul.13</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim @13</p>

<p>The family statistician once pointed out to me that the difference between profiling and prejudice is the quality of the data you use and the (jargon-word) confidence you have in the results.</p>

<p>Anecdotal data is prejudice.</p>

<p>And the way people are distributed, the patterns that show in such things as crime stats, things such as skin colour just aren't statistically significant. They can be a sign, in some places, that a person is a stranger, and that status has more significance, but the percentage of criminals is still low when you look at the strangers.</p>

<p>Here in the UK, it's just hit the news that crime figures have, generally, dropped. One source is crime levels recorded by the police, and the comment threads are full of people say the police fail to record crimes. They're not liars, but it's anecdotal data from a few hundred people out of some 60 million. And the figures are confirmed by another source, which is a survey of ordinary people. They go out and ask people about their experience of crime.</p>

<p>One of the possible causes of this drop is not the improved performance of the Police. The elimination of lead in petrol has to be part of it. Curiously, the reported increase in fraud may be a confirmation. If we have far fewer brain-damaged school leavers, the other reasons for criminal behaviour may be leading to "smarter" crime, the sort of activity that depends on having some intellectual capacity.</p>

<p>But if Policing policy is being set by people who are some twenty years older, based on their experience, their image of crime will be set by the era of lead-damaged criminals. And the targets are not where they are looking.</p>

<p>Just to be clear, sub-clinical brain damage from environmental lead need not create criminals. But it may affect the types of crime committed. And the age-related differences in the rates of this damage may make it easier for a 20 yo criminal to defraud a 40 yo victim.</p>

<p>It also looks a partial cause of the improvements in the results of school examinations. The politicians, old enough to have suffered effects from lead, are complaining about exams being easier.</p>

<p>Me, I'm in that age group, but I grew up in the rural environment, with much lower levels of lead. And my meetings with politicians are certainly consistent with some of them being exposed to higher levels of lead. But that's anecdotal <strike>evidence</strike>snark. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 20, 2013  2:32 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #17 from David</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jim #13 - Profiling is active. Prejudice is passive. Profiling is one of the ways one can put prejudice into specific action.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 20, 2013 10:37 AM by David&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #18 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also:</p>

<p>"The Taxonomic Obsession: Profiling as a 4GW Tactical Error" by Myke Cole</p>

<p><i>On Point: Counterterrorism Journal</i> (January, 2006) Reprinted in <i>Journal of Counterterrorism and Homeland Security International</i> (August, 2006)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 20, 2013 11:37 AM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #19 from Galleymac</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#1  When I was 14, I did lock myself out of my house, and climbed back in it through a first story window, wearing large blue ribbon ties in my pigtails (it was a different time) and a very blatant plaid school uniform skirt, and someone going by in a car did indeed send police to my house. I thought leaning 2/3rds of my body out the window and waving at the car with both hands and mouthing I LIVE HERE, MY MOM AND DAD ARE NOT HOME repeatedly would prove me less suspicious than someone trying to run away or hide. It did not. When the police came to my house and I answered the door, I was in a Snoopy-themed housecoat and mopping the floor (and 14) which  convinced them. (This was a couple of years before LaTasha Harlins was killed.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted July 20, 2013  6:22 PM by Galleymac&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #20 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another <a href="http://nypost.com/2013/10/22/barneys-busted-student-for-being-black-suit/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPFacebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow" rel="nofollow">Shopping While Black</a> case:</p>

<blockquote>Plainclothes detectives hauled Christian off Fifth Avenue and into the local precinct.
<p>
There, Christian produced his identification, his debit card from Chase and the receipt with his name on it, the suit states.
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"In spite of producing such documentation, Christian was told that his identification was false and that he could not afford to make such an expensive purchase."</p></p></blockquote>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 24, 2013  3:23 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>What profiling actually entails -- comment #21 from Cheryl</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/black-barneys-shopper-accused-buying-2g-purse-article-1.1494855" rel="nofollow">another one</a>.</p>

<p>"Kayla Phillips, 21, says she was swarmed by four plainclothes cops after using her debit card to buy a $2,500 orange suede Céline bag."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 24, 2013  3:52 PM by Cheryl&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably for a link to a newspaper.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 24, 2013  3:53 PM by Cheryl has been gnomed&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 25, 2014  7:53 PM by Bill Stewart considers spam musubi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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