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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #1 from Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson</title>
         <description>comment from Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson on 12.Dec.10</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been missing proper Lucia celebrations lately. Since I moved from Sweden 2005, most celebrations I've been part of have been organized by Swedish language learners; with corresponding loose grips of the traditions I'm used to. This year, I saw a proper Lucia procession — albeit well over a week early — at the San Francisco Swedish Christmas Market.</p>

<p>When I grew up, this was the structure of a proper Lucia procession.<br />
First: Lucia. A (traditionally blond girl) person dressed in a crown with candles (traditionally live, safer and more modern: electric), a white dress and a red sash. <br />
Then: Some number of Tärnor, traditionally all girls, dressed in white dresses with tinsel sashes, and carrying one candle each.<br />
After these: Some number of Stjärngossar, traditionally all boys, dressed in white dresses with white, tall, conical hats adorned with golden stars. Optionally with golden stars on the tops of little wands.<br />
Subsequently: Some number of gingerbread men: brown clothes with adornments in the shape of frosting.<br />
Finally: Some number of Tomtar (gnomes?) in all red, with white trims, a floppy hat with white trim and bobble, and carrying lanterns.</p>

<p>These bring the traditional Lucia breakfast: mulled wine, gingerbread cookies and sweet saffron wheat bread with raisins.</p>

<p>And that's how I remember St. Lucy's. (I could go on and on and on about the correct and les than correct songs to include too… But let's let this be enough for now.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2010 11:39 PM by Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #2 from lucyp</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"There is nothing in the legend of the saint to account for it."</p>

<p>Well, the legend says that she was blinded, and she is often pictured holding a dish with her eyeballs in it.  Dec. 13 was the shortest day of the year, under the old calendar, which probably explains why it was given to her.</p>

<p>I'll be eating bullar tomorrow at dawn, and lighting candles, as I always do on Dec. 13th.</p>

<p>signed,<br />
Lucy</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2010 11:40 PM by lucyp&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #3 from Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More mildly topical pieces of information:</p>

<p>Humon's <a href="http://satwcomic.com/christmas-traditions" rel="nofollow">Scandinavia and the World</a> takes a look at Nordic christmas celebrations.</p>

<p>Elvis Presley sings <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsCBZxpoqIc" rel="nofollow">the “original” sicilian melody</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2010 11:43 PM by Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #4 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the movie, <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110955/" rel="nofollow">The Ref</a>, with Denis Leary, Judy Davis, and Kevin Spacey, is the perfect date movie for St. Lucy's Eve.</p>

<p>Really.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 12:03 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #5 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikael: Tomtar again! Cool. They came up for discussion on this day in <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/005917.html" rel="nofollow">Making Light</a> six years ago.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 12:20 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #6 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eyeballs? Eating a burglar? Aaaahh!!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 12:21 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #7 from Lisa Spangenberg</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Sankta Lucia procession when I was ten. Wrote about it <a href="http://cookiejartalk.com/2008/12/16/sankta-lucia-holiday-cookies" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>I think part of the light connection is that on the old calendar December 13 was the shortest day of the year, as in John Donne's "A Nocturnal Upon St. Lucy's Day Being the Shortest Day":</p>

<p>'TIS the year's midnight, and it is the day's,<br />
Lucy's, who scarce seven hours herself unmasks ;<br />
    The sun is spent, and now his flasks<br />
    Send forth light squibs, no constant rays ;<br />
            The world's whole sap is sunk ;<br />
The general balm th' hydroptic earth hath drunk,<br />
Whither, as to the bed's-feet, life is shrunk,<br />
Dead and interr'd ; yet all these seem to laugh,<br />
Compared with me, who am their epitaph.</p>

<p>Study me then, you who shall lovers be<br />
At the next world, that is, at the next spring ;<br />
    For I am every dead thing,<br />
    In whom Love wrought new alchemy.<br />
            For his art did express<br />
A quintessence even from nothingness,<br />
From dull privations, and lean emptiness ;<br />
He ruin'd me, and I am re-begot<br />
Of absence, darkness, death—things which are not.</p>

<p>All others, from all things, draw all that's good,<br />
Life, soul, form, spirit, whence they being have ;<br />
    I, by Love's limbec, am the grave<br />
    Of all, that's nothing. Oft a flood<br />
            Have we two wept, and so<br />
Drown'd the whole world, us two ; oft did we grow,<br />
To be two chaoses, when we did show<br />
Care to aught else ; and often absences<br />
Withdrew our souls, and made us carcasses.</p>

<p>While not as famous as any number of other poems by Donne, to me, this one epitomizes Donne.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 12:58 AM by Lisa Spangenberg&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #8 from Niall McAuley</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm, glögg.</p>

<p>With gingerbread for breakfast, at work.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  4:21 AM by Niall McAuley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #9 from Milena</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delurking with a somewhat interesting tidbit... </p>

<p>In Croatia, it's traditional to plant some wheat grains in a small pot on St. Lucy's. On Christmas day, you then judge how good the year is going to be by the state of the wheat. And, of course, local florists now sell already-grown wheat in pots for those who forgot or simply didn't have much luck with their own.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  4:43 AM by Milena&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #10 from Ingvar M</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson @ #1:</p>

<p>What? No Staffan? Butbutbut... Who will be singing the male first soprano if there is no Staffan?</p>

<p>Of course, the exact composition of the Lucia parade does differ from locality to locality and back when I was of an age to be roped into appearing (rather than, as it were, choosing if I do or not), it might've been an interesting mix of "from everywhere".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  6:19 AM by Ingvar M&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #11 from Darice Moore</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to school schedules, St. Lucia arrived a day early at our house this year. My daughter is always, always delighted to get to wear a white gown and red ribbon and bring us breakfast in bed, although we usually go out and eat at the table. (Also, she's only 7, so we've nixed live candles for now. But she <i>aspires</i> to them.)</p>

<p>And now I shall go make coffee, because it's the real St. Lucy's Day and we have coffee bread to enjoy.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  7:01 AM by Darice Moore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #12 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should note that in the <i>country</i> of Saint Lucia, the major festivals are the <i>fête la Woz</i> in August and the <i>fête la Magawit</i> in October. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  7:44 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #13 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose and daisy?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  7:48 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #14 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Earl Cooley III</b> @ 6... If you ever rent the Lovecraft story done as a silent movie a couple of years ago, the DVD's usual warning about how the FBI will get cross with you over illegal copies also warns that mi-go will eat your eyeballs.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  8:10 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #15 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TNH #13: La Woz is a rose (and the festival date is the Saint's day  of Saint Rose of Lima). La Magwit is not a European daisy, however, since that doesn't grow in St. Lucia.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  8:15 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #16 from Debbie</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikael Vejdemo-Johansson @1 - <em>Some number of Stjärngossar, traditionally all boys, dressed in white dresses with white, tall, conical hats adorned with golden stars. Optionally with golden stars on the tops of little wands.</em></p>

<p>Thank you. That explains the little bears on the Christmas cards I bought at Ikea a few years ago.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  8:50 AM by Debbie&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #17 from nigel holmes</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were talking about St. Lucia celebrations on the radio here in Bavaria this morning.  Apparently children in Fürstenfeldbruck float candlelit papier-maché houses down the river.  <a href="http://www.br-online.de/bayern/kult-und-brauch/dezemberbraeuche-DID1228208855677/winter-licht-kelten-germanen-dezemberbraeuche-ID1228229583970.xml" rel="nofollow">This</a> (German) page of the Bayerischen Rundfunk links it (as remarked above at #7) to the fact that the festival fell on the solstice before the calendar reform of 1582.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  8:51 AM by nigel holmes&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #18 from HP</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Via <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/2010/12/gingerbread_cult_of_saint_lucy.php?utm_source=combinedfeed&utm_medium=rss" rel="nofollow">Martin Rundkvist</a>, <i>Natten går tunga fjät</i> in <a href="http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/md_lucia.html" rel="nofollow">Elvish</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  9:17 AM by HP&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #19 from Rikibeth</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was small, my dentist's office had a book in the waiting room, produced by UNICEF, on holidays around the world, and that was where I learned about St. Lucia celebrations.</p>

<p>I <em>coveted</em> that crown of candles like you wouldn't believe. When the kid was of the age for American Girl dolls, we went with Kirsten, mostly because the kid was blond, but we also made sure to buy the St. Lucia outfit.</p>

<p>The closest I've ever come to the crown of candles was when I played Luthien in a masquerade entry, and I had perhaps a dozen battery-operated LED blinky stars in my hair (<em>and light of stars was in her hair/and on her raiment glimmering</em>). I loved it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  9:25 AM by Rikibeth&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #20 from C. Wingate</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrrggghhhh! Wrong thread! Kill that message, quick!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  9:55 AM by C. Wingate&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #21 from Jo Walton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every year, Marissa Lingen celebrates Santa Lucia. <a href="http://mrissa.livejournal.com/751599.html" rel="nofollow">This year's post has links to all the others</a> but especially read 2006.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 10:25 AM by Jo Walton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #22 from The Modesto Kid</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>she is often pictured holding a dish with her eyeballs in it</em></p>

<p>e.g. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lucy" rel="nofollow">This painting</a> by Domenico Beccafumi. St. Lucy must be the final image in the  <a href="http://readin.com/blog/?id=1072" rel="nofollow">descrition</a> of a vandalised church near the end of Saramago's <em>Blindness</em>. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 10:53 AM by The Modesto Kid&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #23 from The Modesto Kid</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is to say, "description".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 10:53 AM by The Modesto Kid&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #24 from Karin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candlewax in your hair is a *pain* to remove. </p>

<p>I did have glögg and saffron bullar and gingerbread snaps for breakfast this morning, but I didn't go see my Alma Mater's choir do their traditional procession. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 11:05 AM by Karin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #25 from Keith Kisser</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our friends who were living in Sweden for several years recently returned to the states. Their 7 year old daughter, who started school in Sweden, was heartbroken this year to learn that American schools do not celebrate Saint Lucy's Eve the way they do in Sweden (or at all for that matter). She apparently was really into the candle hats and songs.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 12:08 PM by Keith Kisser&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #26 from gaukler</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Saint Lucy carol translated into High Elvish:</p>

<p>Lumna cormóres nar<br />
peler ar mardor,<br />
or ambar alanar<br />
caitar i mordor,<br />
íre mir lóna már<br />
ninquitar lícumar:<br />
Ela i calmacolinde,<br />
Lícumafinde!</p>

<p>Found at Aardvarchaeology </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010 12:55 PM by gaukler&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #27 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jo @21:</strong></p>

<p>Thank you for the link, and the recommendation of the 2006 entry in particular.  Powerful and worth reading.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  2:06 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #28 from praisegod barebones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Spangenberg @ 7</p>

<p>That poem had me thinking for years  that St. Lucy's day must be either the 22nd or 23rd. (The 'eleven days' never occurred to me).</p>

<p>abi@27: Seconded. Thank you Jo (and Mris, if you happen to be lurking.)</p>

<p>The Swedish custom with the candles makes me think that St. Lucy ought really to be the patron saint of fire prevention officers. On the principle of <em>lucus a non lucendo</em>, naturally.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  3:17 PM by praisegod barebones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #29 from joann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modesto Kid #22:</p>

<p>Or Domenico Veneziano's <a href="http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2671/3967369374_df56ff204c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/magnoli/interesting/&h=500&w=439&sz=174&tbnid=LqERmAEaEa8ujM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=114&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522St.%2BLucy%2BAltarpiece%2522&zoom=1&q=%22St.+Lucy+Altarpiece%22&usg=__Sr5LSh_tHrLYM9omEKPNmBGB624=&sa=X&ei=hn8GTei0I8P7lwe8ppCXCA&ved=0CCQQ9QEwBA" rel="nofollow">St. Lucy Altarpiece</a>, where Lucy is on the right, eyeballs on a tray.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2010  3:21 PM by joann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #30 from The Modesto Kid</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At Facebook, my mother tells me that when we were living at Scattergood Friends School (West Branch, IA, the third and fourth years of my life or so), one of the girls would wear candles and bring us fresh baked bread on St Lucia's day.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2010  8:46 AM by The Modesto Kid&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #31 from Andrew M</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now know (probably) what T.S. Eliot was referring to when he wrote <br />
<i>And here I rememeber also with gratitude<br />
St Lucy, her carol and her crown of fire</i>. </p>

<p>(From 'The Cultivation of Christmas Trees.)</p>

<p>I have never seen the carol before. I know the Neapolitan folk song, which is not about the actual saint at all, but, apparently, about a place of that name on the Bay of Naples.</p>

<p>Regarding the date: I don't think it can have been chosen for St Lucy <i>because</i> it was the shortest day, since the feast will have been established before the calendar got so out of step. It just has to be seen as a lucky coincidence. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2010 11:06 AM by Andrew M&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #32 from KayTei</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew M @ 31</p>

<p>Without knowing it's true for St. Lucia specifically, a lot of the various celebrations shifted around a bit, and were normalized to the current calendar later.  It's possible that St. Lucia's day was celebrated on the shortest day of the year, and later standardized to the 13th.  </p>

<p>Especially if she's really an adopted goddess.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2010 11:32 AM by KayTei&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #33 from Bill Stewart</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm running on diminished mental capacity this evening, given inadequate sleep, too much driving, a couple of parties, too much more driving, and a pint at the pub, but is the reason for posting the translations from Swedish into Quenya just because it's cool, or is it because of the Silician version by that singer who might be Elvish?</p>

<p>And the drink served in Lake Wobegone on St. Lucia mornings is the coffee tradition, rather than the glogg..</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2010  2:35 AM by Bill Stewart&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #34 from fidelio</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hyperlocal News Network:</p>

<p>Woman takes shameful advantage of cat's attraction to bathroom heater, and squirts druga down her gullet and into her ears, then sprays the prescribed soothing spray onto area where skin allergy has manifested. Cat, while attempting to depart with prejudice, heard to exclaim "No. I get out of here, me. I follow you, Vorga. I find you, Vorga. I pay you back, me. I rot you. I kill you, Vorga. I kill you filthy," </p>

<p></p>

<p>I have no idea where she came up with that, as I don't think there's any Bester in the house.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2010  9:12 AM by fidelio&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #35 from fidelio</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, that was supposed to be in the Open Thread.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2010  9:20 AM by fidelio&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #36 from Daephene</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told (last week in fact) that there was a legend about the candles. Specifically that Lucia would go take food to lepers living in caves and would wear her light on her head instead of her hands so she could carry more food.</p>

<p>I have no idea where the pastor who told me that got it from, just throwing it out there.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2010  7:20 PM by Daephene&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #37 from David Harmon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daephene #36:  Sounds like typical "back-formation".  Given the name ("Lucia" just means "light") and timing (formerly the solstice, still nearby), St. Lucia almost certainly represents the Christian co-opting of a pagan custom.  This is entirely usual, as it was a basic part of how early Christianity spread.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2010  8:37 PM by David Harmon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #38 from Andrew M</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Harmon@37: But at the time early Christians were doing that, St Lucy was nowhere near the solstice. It was the solstice in the 17th century, when the calendar had slipped ten days. The reform in the 18th century (earlier in Catholic countries) put the dates back where they were when the calendar was being formed. </p>

<p>I guess it's possible that the Scandinavian ceremony is a co-optation of a pagan tradition, given how late paganism continued there; but the feast itself goes back a lot further than that. 'Lucia' is a perfectly real Roman name; the way the significance of her name and the date of her feast fit together may just be a happy coincidence. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2010  1:03 PM by Andrew M&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #39 from David Harmon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew #38:  Even ten days before (or after) is still pretty close, but the real question is when the ritual was before it got assigned a saint's day.  And the "crown of light" and other fires mentioned, make it pretty dubious that the name is a coincidence...  the "star boys" mentioned in #1 are another pointer to the skies, while the other versions described in the OP have multiple obvious relics of paganism.  (Omens from a willow tree, and from a "mysterious light" at midnight?  Dude, that's pagan!)</p>

<p>The thing is, <i>most</i> of the Christian seasonal rituals, and a fair proportion of their saints, are known to be adopted from pagan rituals and myths respectively.  (One thing the evangelicals are plain right about!)  So when I see a girl or young woman called "Lucia", bearing a crown of light through a midwinter ritual, that fits smoothly into well-known patterns.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2010  2:37 PM by David Harmon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #40 from David Goldfarb</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And <a href="http://www.twolumps.net/d/20101217.html" rel="nofollow">the latest Two Lumps</a> has something to say.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 17, 2010  4:22 AM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #41 from lucyp</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David #39:  It is my understanding that the Sankta Lucia festival, as it is celebrated today with candles and white dresses and stars and pointy hats, is mostly a late nineteenth-century reimagining that involved taking a feast celebrated only regionally, and making it into a pan-Swedish holiday.  So not accidental pagan survivals of a forgotten folk past, but a deliberate mostly faux pagan construction with nationalist aims in mind.  There was a lot of that going around at the time.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 18, 2010  9:02 AM by lucyp&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Saint Lucy&apos;s Eve -- comment #42 from Jacque suspects spam</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...ending with a comma...?</p>]]>
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