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      <description>My better half has been in the travel industry for the past few years. One of the neat side effects...</description>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #1 from Debbie</title>
         <description>comment from Debbie on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ack! My daughter's flying to the States from Germany today. Landing there (probably, hopefully) even as I type. I will <em>not</em> look at that Flight Stats link until after she's arrived at her destination, but I will definitely be taking a closer look at all of those. Thanks, abi!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  5:06 PM by Debbie&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #2 from Daniel Klein</title>
         <description>comment from Daniel Klein on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Can I lodge a chronological complaint? That SkyScanner site is *exactly* what I would have needed pretty much two weeks ago when my girlfriend's return flight from Poland got canceled and we scrambled to find her a cheap replacement flight that would get her to Dublin in time for New Year's Eve. We finally found one that arrived at like 9pm on the 31st and cost about double of what the Ryanair flight would have cost (Ryanair did graciously offer her to rebook free of charge, with the earliest available date January 6th. They did not supply a complimentary time machine, unfortunately.)</p>

<p>But seriously. That page? EXTREMELY useful. Have your husband inform the relevant people that a very powerless man will be very displeased if that page goes away. </p>

<p>(Me and my girlfriend, we fly home a lot--that means Germany and Poland--and I have a good friend in Istanbul whom I try to visit about once a year. This page is going to get so much mileage.)</p>

<p>Coincidentally, and I'd fully understand if (and as a matter of fact I expect that) you will say "I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you", how does that page make a profit? I saw a couple of sponsored links, but that can't be all, can it?<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  5:12 PM by Daniel Klein&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #3 from xeger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you include <a href="http://flightaware.com" rel="nofollow">flightaware</a> ?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  5:25 PM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #4 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Abi</b>... Where <i>does</i> he sleep?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  5:29 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #5 from abi</title>
         <description>comment from abi on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Daniel @2:</strong></p>

<p>Martin liked your comment.  He said that he doesn't want to lose such an admirer, so I can't tell you how they make money.</p>

<p>It may or may not involve leprechauns.</p>

<p><strong>xeger @3:</strong></p>

<p>That looks neat for North America, but not much use for Europe.  This is probably why we didn't know about it.</p>

<p><strong>Serge @4:</strong></p>

<p>See my reply to Daniel at 2; the situations are similar.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  5:33 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #6 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Abi</b> @ 5... His sleeping location involves leprechauns? In a pot, on a mattress filled with gold (to tie in to a recent thread)?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  5:39 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #7 from Seth</title>
         <description>comment from Seth on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SkyScanner page is outdated; I checked MSP->HPN and it claimed there's a nonstop.  Orbitz didn't find any.  (There used to be.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  6:12 PM by Seth&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #8 from Lin</title>
         <description>comment from Lin on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For major US cities, <a href="http://www.farecast.com/" rel="nofollow">Farecast</a> is a good resource, giving daily fare history, and a prediction of whether the fare is going up or going down. I've found it to be pretty useful.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  6:23 PM by Lin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #9 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've used Flight Stats in the past; there's an equivalent page just for US and Canadian flights, <a href="http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight" rel="nofollow">FlyteComm</a>.  One thing I've noticed about both of them  is that they're quick to pick up on changes in flight, caused by winds or detours around weather, but don't get word very quickly of delays on the ground due to congestion at the airport, or mechanical problems.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  6:26 PM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #10 from Kathryn from Sunnyvale</title>
         <description>comment from Kathryn from Sunnyvale on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'll recommend the <a href="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/" rel="nofollow">forums at Flyertalk</a>.</p>

<p>It's a site filled with people who do lots of flying and like sharing their experiences = it's a healthy online community and their knowledge goes deep.</p>

<p>The forums include airline-specific ones, general travel issues (Safety and Security, Travel with Disabilities, etc), and regional-to-city level information.</p>

<p>I haven't seen a better place to get help on questions like <br />
"How do I get through security if I cannot take off my shoes?" or <br />
"If I have a 5 hour layover, what can I see in city XYZ. And what's the best way to get their and back?" or<br />
"How easy is it to drive in Romania?" or <br />
"I have a travel credit originally purchased with miles on United: can I return it?" </p>

<p>While they (like anyone) hope that you search the forums before posting, I've noticed they tend to be relaxed with naive/newbie questions.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  6:38 PM by Kathryn from Sunnyvale&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #11 from Clifton Royston</title>
         <description>comment from Clifton Royston on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farecast will let you put in a proposed itinerary with dates and tell you whether to expect the airfare prices to go up, down, or hold steady.</p>

<p>Looks like it's been acquired by Microsoft since I used it last and is now at <a href="http://farecast.live.com/" rel="nofollow">http://farecast.live.com/</a>.  That could be good or bad news, depending.  (Since the link saying "Farecast acquired by Microsoft - Learn more" at the bottom of <em>every site page</em> is <strong>broken</strong>, I'm going to guess it's a bad thing.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  7:36 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #12 from xeger</title>
         <description>comment from xeger on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi @ 5 ...<br />
<i>That looks neat for North America, but not much use for Europe. This is probably why we didn't know about it.</i></p>

<p>US only, actually, although they do extend beyond in a less reliable way.  Still - generally useful within its limits.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  7:37 PM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #13 from Alex</title>
         <description>comment from Alex on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farecast's problem is that it depends on the airlines providing data, I think. </p>

<p>What we really need is information on what others are offered; for example, a Firefox extension that captures at least what price you eventually pay, or at best all the prices you are quoted for a given route/time/date and the time/date you were quoted them, and a backend that aggregates this info from all the users, so you can view the yield curves.</p>

<p>Could display the curve by airlines and also with options to step forward and back by dates..</p>]]>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #14 from Larry Brennan</title>
         <description>comment from Larry Brennan on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you get there, you'll need to sleep. I get a lot of mileage out of <a href="http://tripadvisor.com" rel="nofollow"> TripAdvisor</a> for hotel information. There's a fair amount of noise (people who just don't get the whole hotel idea), but if you read carefully, you can find great places to stay.</p>

<p>It's help me find good vacation acommodations for both business and vacation travel, and last year, I traveled WAY TOO MUCH. Enough to get over 25k qualifying miles on United and over 75k on Continental, plus some odds and ends on carriers like Soutwest, Virgin America and Jet Airways where I couldn't do anything with the miles.</p>

<p>FWIW, I post reviews there as <a href="http://www.tripadvisor.com/members-reviews/RoamingSeattleite" rel="nofollow">RoamingSeattleite</a>.</p>

<p>BTW - Seatguru is one of the most useful sites out there. While the good seats are VERY hard to get, it makes it EASY to avoid the bad seats.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009  8:13 PM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #15 from Larry Brennan</title>
         <description>comment from Larry Brennan on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you get there, you'll need to sleep. I get a lot of mileage out of <a href="http://tripadvisor.com" rel="nofollow"> TripAdvisor</a> for hotel information. There's a fair amount of noise (people who just don't get the whole hotel idea), but if you read carefully, you can find great places to stay.</p>

<p>It's help me find good vacation acommodations for both business and vacation travel, and last year, I traveled WAY TOO MUCH. Enough to get over 25k qualifying miles on United and over 75k on Continental, plus some odds and ends on carriers like Soutwest, Virgin America and Jet Airways where I couldn't do anything with the miles.</p>

<p>FWIW, I post reviews there as <a href="http://www.tripadvisor.com/members-reviews/RoamingSeattleite" rel="nofollow">RoamingSeattleite</a>.</p>

<p>BTW - Seatguru is one of the most useful sites out there. While the good seats are VERY hard to get, it makes it EASY to avoid the bad seats.</p>]]>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #16 from Christopher Davis</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher Davis on 13.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've long been a fan of the ITA Software <a href="http://matrix.itasoftware.com/" rel="nofollow">demo/beta site</a>.  (Massive disclaimer: They pay me. Disclaimer to the disclaimer: I liked it before I got the job, and I don't work on that product. Also,  I still miss the old Java-based flight display filter setup it used to have.) Best feature: <a href="http://matrix.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/help/advanced-topics" rel="nofollow">flexible and powerful options</a> (some of which geeks will probably recognize as using analogous operations to regexps) so you can do things like look for flights from any of BOS;PVD;MHT, on only certain airlines, to any of SFO;OAK;SJC.</p>

<p>I'll second the recommendations for FlyerTalk and Seatguru. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 13, 2009 10:17 PM by Christopher Davis&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #17 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 14.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to use ITA and they've never paid me. ;)  These days I only go to Mpls and back, and it's hard to get a better flight or price than one of Northwest's.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  1:55 AM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #18 from Eve</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SkyScanner is great.</p>

<p>Also, in Europe at least, it's well worth signing up to the mailing lists of all the budget airlines that use your local airport, because they often have very good but short-lived sales.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  6:15 AM by Eve&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #19 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Seth @7:</strong></p>

<p>SkyScanner uses live feeds; it doesn't "do" outdated (not to that extent, anyway; a matter of minutes or hours at most).</p>

<p>When I went and looked at the flights from MSP to HPN, all I saw were indirect flights.  Are you sure you saw a direct one?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  7:21 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #20 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathryn from Sunnyvale #10: <em>"How do I get through security if I cannot take off my shoes?"</em></p>

<p>As someone who walks with a cane, I've always wondered if they make you take off your shoes while standing up or do you have to sit on the (presumably extremely filthy, travel-stained) floor? If I ever have to fly again, at the very least, I'm going to invest in <a href="http://www.suspenders.com/nobuzz.htm" rel="nofollow">airport</a> <a href="http://www.suspenderstore.com/aifrsube.html" rel="nofollow">friendly</a> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=airport+friendly+suspenders" rel="nofollow">suspenders</a>.</p>

<p>Probably the worst plane seat I've ever had was at the back of a 737; it was painfully noisy, and the flight attendants claimed to not have disposable ear plugs to hand out.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  8:57 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #21 from David Cook</title>
         <description>comment from David Cook on 14.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While living in Scotland, I used SkyScanner, Expedia, and <a href="http://www.dohop.com/" rel="nofollow">DoHop</a> - I liked DoHop's interface quite a lot.  <br />
It was easy to change your preferred arrival/departure times, exclude/include preferred airlines/airports, and change your preferred number of stops, all without having to go back and forth and reload pages the way most flight search engines seem to.  Since then, they appear to have changed their interface slightly, but it's still very "Web 2.0" and easy to change options.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  9:04 AM by David Cook&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #22 from Steve C.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this <a href="http://www.onebag.com/" rel="nofollow">site</a> interesting for those who wish to travel light.</p>

<p><br />
http://www.onebag.com/</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  9:58 AM by Steve C.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #23 from Lisa</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.tripit.com" rel="nofollow">TripIt</a> is handy for keeping all your various electronic confirmations and schedules and so on in one place. You can either enter stuff manually or forward them the confirmation emails, and they'll automagically add them to your trip calendar. It's especially handy when you're travelling with or to meet other people, because you can add them to the trip and share your itineraries with each other. My brother and I usually meet up in Las Vegas about once a year, and we use it to coordinate flight times, hotels, and so on.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Brennan @14: I agree with the utility of TripAdvisor, and also the existence of people who don't quite get the hotel concept...or the particular features of certain locations that are nigh-unavoidable.  I recall looking once for a hotel in New Orleans - many of the reviews of "charming" small non-chain hotels in older buildings complained of things like, oh, small showers [in buildings which originally had only one bathroom per floor, most likely], slow elevators [in a three story building where you could take less time to walk up], creaky floors and unfinished brick walls [in a historic 115 year old building] and poor water pressure [see note about showers]. A lot of people can't seem to balance their expectations - if you want totally modern amenities and a sterile environment, there's a shiny Marriot just down the street, you know?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  2:10 PM by oliviacw&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #25 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of expectations.  In Ukraine I enjoyed the most marvelous showers (in a place I don't dare drink the tap water... side effect of Reiter's syndrome... I will be leery of the least risk of a GI problem for the rest of my life, and Ukraine is a trifle iffy, even the cities).</p>

<p>The hot water pipes come out of the wall.  Those pipes are what the towels are draped on.  One comes out of the shower and the towels are warm.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  5:14 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #26 from WereBear</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my family went to Brazil for my brother's wedding, we booked a little place, avoiding the chains.</p>

<p>We were right on the beach and it had a magnificent mahogany bar. Yes, the tub was the size of a breadbox and there was only one outlet, but it was lovely, and we got good service.</p>

<p>When we caught our shuttle back to the airport, there was a breakdown and we were parked in a Holiday Inn lobby. You couldn't tell you were in Brazil.</p>

<p>For people who don't want to feel like they've left home, I suppose that's a feature.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  5:36 PM by WereBear&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #27 from Chris Clarke</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Hasbrouck, aside from being a good source on travel info, is a <a href="http://hasbrouck.org/draft/prosecutions.html" rel="nofollow">draft resister of note,</a> which is how I met him beck in the day. Good fellow.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  6:52 PM by Chris Clarke&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #28 from Chris Clarke</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>beck in the day.</blockquote>

<p>Stupid typo! Clearly that should have read "back in the dey."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  6:53 PM by Chris Clarke&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #29 from John Houghton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WereBear #26:<br />
If all of the Holiday Inn's in the world were spaced equally around the equator they would be about 15 miles apart. The good news is that most of them would be underwater.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  7:53 PM by John Houghton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #30 from WereBear</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John @ 29: Good one!</p>

<p>As I work in the tourist industry, it often amazes me how people will come to a different place, and yet want nothing to be different.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  8:59 PM by WereBear&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #31 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WereBear, #26: My partner and I are traveling convention vendors, and our attitude about the big chains is that you go there when you don't want surprises. OTOH, if we have time to go exploring (or a local guide), we greatly prefer to eat at non-chain or local-chain places. In Denver, we found a terrific Ethiopian restaurant! <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009  9:04 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #32 from John Mark Ockerbloom</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee @ 31: What Ethiopian restaurant would that be?  As it happens, I'll be in Denver later this month for ALA Midwinter. (Only overnight, I'm afraid, but if it's in the downtown and open Sunday night, I might check it out.  Or look for it sometime later when I have more time in Denver.) </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 14, 2009 11:28 PM by John Mark Ockerbloom&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #33 from David Wald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex @13: <a href="http://kayak.com" rel="nofollow">kayak.com</a> has at least something like the "what others have been quoted" database you're asking for, and uses it for various charts and comparisons.  Kayak is a meta-search engine, querying airline sites and, apparently sites like orbitz, giving a wider range of ways to search and view the results, and then referring you to the original sites if you want to actually book a flight.  I haven't explored all the features but I've been shifting over from orbitz to kayak for a lot of travel searches.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2009 12:34 AM by David Wald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #34 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, #32: It's not downtown, I'm afraid -- we found it because we'd stayed on the outskirts Tuesday night, and saw it while driving in on Wednesday morning. It was just called "Ethiopian Restaurant"; here's a <a href="http://www.ethiopianrestaurant.com/colorado/ethiopian.html" rel="nofollow">link</a> that I put in my con report. It doesn't have kitfo on the menu, but it has lots of other good stuff. <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 15, 2009  1:26 AM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #35 from Dan Hoey</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, abi, but....  Somehow the timing of your information suggests that it is related to flights to Washington, DC.  And it's a damn good feeling to think we're going to have a president for a change.  I just wish I could look forward to the extravaganza.</p>

<p>I live 1/2 mile north of the White House, and my impulse is to bar the doors and stay inside Monday and Tuesday, and hope the city is there on Wednesday.</p>

<p>It occurs to me I could get out of grinch mode and set up a water station at 16th and Q, if I could get someone to carry the jug back and forth for refills, since I'm not supposed to lift over 10 pounds for the next couple of weeks.  At least I would feel useful.</p>

<p>It's way too late to be an official volunteer.  Maybe I should leave it to people who thought ahead.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2009 12:23 PM by Dan Hoey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #36 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dan @35:</strong></p>

<p><em>Somehow the timing of your information suggests that it is related to flights to Washington, DC></em></p>

<p>It wasn't!  Honest!  I'm so far removed from the while shebang that I wasn't thinking about it at all.</p>

<p>I've been at Martin to give me that set of links for over a month; the post is just a product of our own household rhythms.  This was when we had time.</p>

<p>Having said that, do what you can and don't worry about the rest.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2009  3:57 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Leavin&apos; on a jet plane? A few handy links before you go -- comment #37 from Dan Hoey</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to vent my siege mentality on you, the innocent.  I'll take it as a sign that I need to take it easy and calm down.</p>

<p>Thanks for the flying info and wise words.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January 18, 2009  4:13 PM by Dan Hoey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Dan @37:</strong><br />
<em>Sorry to vent my siege mentality on you, the innocent.</em></p>

<p>(a) You call that venting?  Hmph.  That wasn't even a mild outgassing.  I lived in Edinburgh fifteen years, where the Festival crams the streets solid for the entire month of August every year.  Now <em>that</em> gives rise to venting.</p>

<p>(b) You're kinda entitled at this point (yay on not being dead, BTW, and the good prognosis)</p>

<p>(c) Innocent?  Me?</p>]]>
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