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      <description>Jim Henley blogged a few days back about how the world&amp;#8217;s navies (led by ours) have been falling down on...</description>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #1 from Nicholas Whyte</title>
         <description>comment from Nicholas Whyte on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Statement of interest: I work for an organisation which advises the Government of Somaliland.</i></p>

<p>I completely agree that it is surprising that the world has only just discovered the Somali piracy problem. It's been very serious for years - the US-led <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Task_Force_150" rel="nofollow">Combined Task Force 150</a> was set up as long ago as 2002, though it <b>has</b> got worse in recent months.</p>

<p>One of the ironies in the situation is that the most stable part of the disintegrated Somalia state, the former British colony of Somaliland, actually has a pretty good record of preventing piracy off its part of the coast - the official <a href="http://nhw.livejournal.com/1043454.html" rel="nofollow">UN maps</a> show only two incidents there of the dozens of the last few years (and I'm told that even those two have been mislabelled). Somaliland's coastguard, of course, cannot be sold arms legally due to the international arms embargo applying to the whole of the former country; yet at the same time, of course, the internationals will demand that Somaliland do its bit to prevent piracy!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  4:42 AM by Nicholas Whyte&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #2 from Alan Braggins</title>
         <description>comment from Alan Braggins on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> The Pittsburgh Pirates, on the other hand, have been having a lousy year.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dorktower.com/2008/09/19/dork-tower-682-yarrrrrr/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dorktower.com/2008/09/19/dork-tower-682-yarrrrrr/</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  5:41 AM by Alan Braggins&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #3 from Arthur D. Hlavaty</title>
         <description>comment from Arthur D. Hlavaty on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk like a what day?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  6:41 AM by Arthur D. Hlavaty&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #4 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shamed to have to admit that <i>Lloyds List</i> recently reported that the Royal Navy has been told not to try to deal with pirates, lest the scum claim political asylum in an English Court.</p>

<p>The story is now behind a paywall, and some have regarded it with varying degrees of scepticism. However, there is some <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/25/royal_navy_pirate_asylum_seekers/" rel="nofollow">coverage in <b>The Register</b></a>, by their naval staff.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  8:14 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #5 from Mark</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could point out that a corpse cannot petition for asylum.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  8:51 AM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #6 from ajay</title>
         <description>comment from ajay on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4: this post <br />
http://yorksranter.wordpress.com/2008/04/20/the-bombardment-of-walthamstow-rages-on/</p>

<p>addresses that question, sceptically. The important point here is that claiming - and even being granted - political asylum is not a get-out-of-jail-free card. The likely course of events would be</p>

<p>1. Pirate gets captured off the Horn of Africa<br />
2. Pirate brought back to UK for trial<br />
3. Pirate claims asylum <br />
4. Pirate granted asylum; UK agrees not to return pirate to Somalia<br />
5. Pirate sent to a UK prison for life for piracy.</p>

<p>In fact, a pirate would be unlikely to gain asylum without a well-founded fear of persecution. You can't get asylum on the grounds that you come from a country where life is just generally crap. The pirate would have to have a second job as a political dissident or something. </p>

<p>(They are not members of the common throng;<br />
They are all noblemen who have gone wrong!<br />
-No Englishman unmoved that statement hears, <br />
Because, with all their faults, we love our House of Peers.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  9:31 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #7 from Neil Willcox</title>
         <description>comment from Neil Willcox on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always when piracy threads come up, I point out the International Maritime Bureau <a href="http://www.icc-ccs.org/extra/display.php?yr=2008" rel="nofollow">piracy attacks map</a>.  Most of the maps have at least one in waters that you don't expect; this year we seem to have one off Corsica.  But I thought <strike>Pompey</strike> Commodore Decatur wiped out the pirates in the Mediterranean!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  9:37 AM by Neil Willcox&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #8 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's been a persistent problem of piracy around Somalia since the collapse of the Somali state in 1991. As Nicholas Whyte states in the unrecognised but stable statelet of Somaliland which is basically the former British Somaliland there is no problem. However, the supposedly stable statelet of Puntland seems to be providing safe haven (or at any rate claiming it cannot suppress) for the pirates. And southern Somalia is either lawless or under Ethiopian occupation (paid for by Ethiopia's generous Uncle Samuel under the provisions of something called the War on Terror). Most of the pirates are Somalis trying to make a decent living in a time when their homeland has tbar gb fuvg. However, some are simply criminals taking advantage of the absence of law enforcement to, ahem, make themselves rich.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  9:55 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #9 from Giacomo</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Neil's fantastic map, it looks like the problem might have something to do with Yemenite waters.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  9:56 AM by Giacomo&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #10 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the Somalis are due to take the trophy for "Most Feared Pirates" away from the Malays in the Indonesian Archipelago.  Although the Malays may be able to hold onto "Most Barbarous" since they have a habit of not keeping the hostages alive.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008 10:02 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #11 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the staples of pulp adventure in the 20s and early 30s were the pirates in the South China Sea. Sometimes involving dastardly infiltration amongst the steerage passengers, attempts to storm the ship's bridge, and plucky crew with Maxim guns.</p>

<p>Exciting, but rather overloaded with racist junk. The idea of the passengers being isolated from the bridge by locked doors, etc., still manages to sound familiar.</p>

<p>Though I suspect that the only real meaning of a brow like a Shakespeare is male pattern baldness.</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008 10:25 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #12 from Paula Lieberman</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Lieberman on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The straits of Molucca (spelling) piracy went on hiatus for a while after the tsunami--one of the worst-hit areas was one of the worst nests of pirates.</p>

<p>The situation in the waters off and in the vicinity of Somali has been nasty for years.... there was a case where an American MD on extended leave from Brigham & Women's Hospital in Boston cruising in a yacht or two with husband and others, was involved in fighting off a pirate attack,  in that part of the world.  The pirates lost that particular battle, decisively and lethally.  It got reported, and I called Phil Nathanson--it turned out that he knew the MD. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008 10:29 AM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #13 from ajay</title>
         <description>comment from ajay on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Exciting, but rather overloaded with racist junk</i></p>

<p>Or, given that we are talking about the South China Sea: racist, with overloaded junks?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008 11:03 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #14 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Cohen (Speaker To Managers) #10: Most Feared? Most Fearful, perhaps. They've been scared off by<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/.stm" rel="nofollow"> a loud noise</a> in one case.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  1:15 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #15 from Dave Bell</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Bell on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajay, you maybe don't want to know the story I'm writing at the moment.</p>

<p>It's not just that I might still use the idea of Childe Ballads as jodies, but it will likely involve Chinese pirates.</p>

<p>(If the mil-SF writers can keep quoting <i>March of Cambreadth</i>, I don't see why my furry anarcho-syndicalists can't invent a few military traditions of their own. Including "Landing Force Detachment Valhalla".)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  1:19 PM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #16 from albatross</title>
         <description>comment from albatross on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, this is a problem best solved by Ron Paul's proposal to issue letters of marque and reprisal....  :)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  1:55 PM by albatross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #17 from Nangleator</title>
         <description>comment from Nangleator on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't understand how the U.S. Navy isn't cramming every inch of that coast with Q ships crewed by SEALs.</p>

<p>Aren't our military leaders interested in exercising their might?  Is our political leader afraid of seeming hawkish?</p>

<p>I really don't understand how every pirate story doesn't read:</p>

<p>Suspected pirates approached and fired on the USS Filthy Rich, a training yacht of the U.S. Navy involved in peaceful exercises off the Somali Coast today.  Navy sailors briefly defended themselves, after which no trace could be found of the pirates, their ship, or a portion of the shoreline that they had occluded prior to the attack.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  2:11 PM by Nangleator&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #18 from Linkmeister</title>
         <description>comment from Linkmeister on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Braggins @ #2, that's hilarious.  I can visualize a corollary for the KC Royals, too.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  2:13 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #19 from coffeedryad</title>
         <description>comment from coffeedryad on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Bell @ 15: Furry anarcho-syndicalists singing anything called "Landing Force Detachment Valhalla"?  Let me know, I'll buy it.</p>

<p>(My current project doesn't have anything quite that cool, but it does have hulder-maidens and Art Nouveau mechas.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  2:47 PM by coffeedryad&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #20 from Avram</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nangleator @17</b>, a good deal of the US Navy is busy somewhere else at the moment. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  2:59 PM by Avram&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #21 from Nangleator</title>
         <description>comment from Nangleator on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avram @20, so you're suggesting there's a branch of the military that Bush doesn't want to spread too thin?  That's heartening, if unexpected.</p>

<p>I'm not one for projecting power across the globe, but seeing as it's happening anyway, killing off some pirates and making piracy less attractive would seem like a pretty good silver lining to me.  I guess we won't even have that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  3:40 PM by Nangleator&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #22 from Paula Lieberman</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Lieberman on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the year was fall 2008, How I wish I owned some oilfields now-<br />
A  mortgage  bill came in the mail<br />
But the bank that held my mortgage failed<br />
God damn them all!<br />
I was told they'd cross the seas for American debt<br />
We'd spend no cash, get their gold,<br />
All my savings gone and my job gone too<br />
I'll freeze to death when it gets cold. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  3:59 PM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #23 from Mark</title>
         <description>comment from Mark on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, these guys come up on their targets in speedboats. Ever wonder what a Javelin missile would do to a Scarab? I find myself wondering that these days.</p>

<p>It seems to me that many of the problems facing the US military in particular these days are issues of mission creep - expecting the military to do police work. Sometimes, as in the streets of Baghdad, it's because they should be replaced with actual police. In this instance I begin to think it's because people are expecting the Navy to act like the Coast Guard instead of taking the gloves off and being the gorram Navy. </p>

<p>Yes, I do think pirates should be sunk on sight with no apologies or excuses, especially when they're financing a civil war.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  4:23 PM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #24 from Rikibeth</title>
         <description>comment from Rikibeth on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula @12: Phil Nathanson? Does he or did he live in Lexington? Does he have a daughter or a sister named Barbara, who is a twin?</p>

<p>Barbara Nathanson and her twin sister were among my babysitters, when I was a very small child.  I can't remember her sister's name, because I called them Barbara and Barbara.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  5:19 PM by Rikibeth&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #25 from Dave Robinson</title>
         <description>comment from Dave Robinson on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Convoys and Q-ships.  This is the 21st century and it shouldn't be happening.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  5:45 PM by Dave Robinson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #26 from Lylassandra</title>
         <description>comment from Lylassandra on 30.Sep.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, our Navy is getting retrained and shipped to Afghanistan whether they like it or not. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  6:08 PM by Lylassandra&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #27 from j h woodyatt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, maybe the worlds shipping lanes will be a more interesting place once Chevron can hire convoy protection services from Blackwater.  I think I have a lot of former co-workers who are salivating right now at the opportunity to sell high-grade weapons technology to somebody other than the Pentagon for once.</p>

<p>(Hmm.  You mean I can't sell cruise missiles to just <i>anyone</i> with a business license?  Drat.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  7:00 PM by j h woodyatt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #28 from Lila</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jh, and then the Blackwater convoy "guards" decide, hey, we've got an armed ship, fuck this guarding shit, let's go pirating!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  7:10 PM by Lila&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #29 from Neil Willcox</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajay @6 <i>In fact, a pirate would be unlikely to gain asylum without a well-founded fear of persecution. You can't get asylum on the grounds that you come from a country where life is just generally crap. The pirate would have to have a second job as a political dissident or something.</i></p>

<p>Traditionally one should get a letter of marque from the government (and say sorry and pay damages when you're caught attacking the wrong ships).  So enterprising 21st century pirates should get themselves appointed the navy of opposition/secessionist governments; apologise and run away, claim asylum and/or demand POW status - take your pick.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  7:12 PM by Neil Willcox&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #30 from Tom Barclay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nangleator@21 wrote, " . . . but seeing as it's happening anyway, killing off some pirates and making piracy less attractive would seem like a pretty good silver lining to me."</p>

<p>You've put your finger on the crux of the issue. The current US regime APPROVES of piracy, as they have demonstrated time and again. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  7:34 PM by Tom Barclay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #31 from pocketeer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The previous few posts lead to a scary thought.<br />
(thankfully improbable, letters of marque from the US government aren't likely)</p>

<p>...but how is Blackwater <b>not</b> seen a piratical name?<br />
Try it out: "<i>Blackwater Buccaneers</i>" or "<i>the Pirates of Blackwater</i>"</p>

<p>On a lighter note, according to that pirate attacks map, Saskatchewan seems to have shaken off the scourge of Captain Tractor.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  7:47 PM by pocketeer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #32 from Erik Nelson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's the Libertarian response to all this?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  8:29 PM by Erik Nelson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #33 from Mark</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pocketeer @ 31:</p>

<p><i>And it's a ho! (Ho!) Hi! (Hi!)<br />
Farmers lock your doors<br />
When you see the Jolly Roger<br />
Off Regina's mighty shores!</i></p>

<p>Good times, good times....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  9:11 PM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #34 from Allan Beatty</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's a libertarian response: defense against international outlaws is a legitimate function of government.</p>

<p>If you want an anarchist response, you'll have to ask someone else.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  9:29 PM by Allan Beatty&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #35 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pocketeer, #31: </p>

<p><i>My father was a Navy man; he begged me to compete<br />
For a fighter ship, a frigate in the U.S. Navy Fleet. <br />
But I left home at seventeen, a privateer to be; <br />
Now I can outfight any four Fleet men and outdrink any three. <br />
And it's cheer up, me lads, let your hearts never fear<br />
When you ship out on the sealanes with Blackwater's Privateers!</i> </p>

<p>(With apologies to Michael Longcor -- damn, that didn't take much tweaking!) <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008  9:31 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #36 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TV news is, as I'm typing, saying that the US Navy has surrounded a cargo ship being held by pirates off the coast of Somalia.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 30, 2008 11:32 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #37 from Per CJ</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am neither British nor trained in law, but it seems to me that at least according to the 1951 UN Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, the British government could refuse to consider ex-pirates as refugees. Of course, it could be that national British law is wider in scope as to rights to asylum than this convention. </p>

<p>"F. The provisions of this Convention shall not apply to any person with respect to whom there are serious reasons for considering that. </p>

<p>a) He has committed a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against humanity, as defined in the international instruments drawn up to make provision in respect of such crimes; </p>

<p>b) He has committed a serious non-political crime outside the country of refuge prior to his admission to that country as a refugee; </p>

<p>c) He has been guilty of acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations." </p>

<p>It seems to me that at least b), maybe even c) (don't know if piracy could be said to be againt the purposes of the UN) and a) in some cases, should be applicable.</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008  3:40 AM by Per CJ&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #38 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>37: in other words, pirates could still claim asylum - they just wouldn't be granted it. Unfortunately this distinction is lost on the Harrumph Tendency of my beloved nation's press.</p>

<p>You cannot hope to bribe or twist<br />
- Thank God! - the British Journalist;<br />
But, seeing what the man will do<br />
Unbribed, there's no occasion to.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008  4:43 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #39 from Mark</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per CJ @ 37: Law of the Sea is a matter of international treaty, well within the purposes of the UN, so yes, (c) applies unequivocally.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008  9:05 AM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #40 from Per CJ</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought a bit more about this, and it could of course be that what a branch of the British government had said is that they would nevertheless be stuck with any prisoners, if UK law does not allow repatriation of prisoners that would, for example, face a summary death sentence. It could be that such prisoners would be legally unreturnable, and therefore must stay in British custody, even when denied refugee status and asylum.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008 10:27 AM by Per CJ&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #41 from Scott Taylor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-piracy duties is something the US Navy and USMC could do very good at (and garner quite a bit of goodwill among Western nations), and they've even got the perfect tool for it, already in the arsenal - </p>

<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_class_amphibious_assault_ship" rel="nofollow">Wasp class Amphibious Assault Ships</a></p>

<p>Two thousand marines is more than enough to engage any pirate target - up to and including 21st century Tortuga wannabees. Hell, you could probably offload a chunk of them, and rig up quarters for rescued passengers and crew, and some secure cells for prisoners awaiting trial. </p>

<p>Harriers provide rapid response and stand-off attack capacity, while the helos provide long-range eyes and troop movement/deployment (make sure each deployment has teams trained in air-assault style deployment). Keep a couple of the LCACs in the boat bay, maybe with a pair of the new Mark V SOC boats (closest thing I can find to an old PT Boat - I'd take those if I could get them.) - the LCACs for moving heavy gear ashore if you need to hit a land position, and the SOC boats for high-speed patrol and response. Between those, and the LHD's normal escort group, you can cover a hell of a lot of ocean. </p>

<p>The key is speedy response - if pirates know they can't make an attack without having an SOC boat, helo full of angry marines, or an AV8b with wing hardpoints full of rockets and guns getting up in their grill, it will tend to put a cramp in their style. </p>

<p>And when they try to switch to stealthy missions (like the pirates in the Straits of Mallacca sometimes do, climbing up anchor chains and the like) - you've got enough marines you can put an entire damn company of them on anything big enough to warrant it, and a squad or more on pretty much everything transiting through the Strait, if you deploy a pair of Wasps and their associated vessels. </p>

<p>What we need is an admiral gutsy enough to suggest something like this, and a captain with the skills and ambition to become the next Commodore Decatur...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008 12:33 PM by Scott Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #42 from Leroy F. Berven</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding letters of marque for privateers:</p>

<p>According to Wikipedia, the U.S. Congress has <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_marque" rel="nofollow">issued</a> such a letter only once since the War of 1812 . . . and not to the type of vessel that one might have expected.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008  1:25 PM by Leroy F. Berven&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #43 from JJ Fozz</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Taylor - I like the cut of your jib.</p>

<p>Seriously, sounds like a plan. Add some SEALs so they can go ashore and root out the pirates at the source, and you're golden.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008  1:56 PM by JJ Fozz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #44 from Henry Troup</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 - I'd build "Q containers" - a standard-looking container with a medium-heavy gun such as a 25mm or 30mm chain gun, and mount them on ordinary container ships.  You'd need probably four or maybe six to cover sides and fore-and-aft.  If they're on the top of the container stack, you'd get pretty fair field of fire at the waterline.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  1, 2008  7:52 PM by Henry Troup&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #45 from paul</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone considered the possibility that this is really a desperately well-meaning but misguided attempt to roll back global warming?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008 11:32 AM by paul&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #46 from Nangleator</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only works if they wear proper regalia.  I'm guessing none of them even have a parrot.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008 11:46 AM by Nangleator&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #47 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>42: the US issued a letter of marque in 1942 to a <i>civilian-crewed airship</i>? OK, when did we enter that alternate history?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008 11:50 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #48 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajay @ 47: Whatever do you mean? The skies have always been green, and patrolled by airships. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008 12:03 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #49 from Nangleator</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#47, ajay, that's not the crazy part.  The crazy part is them landing on that fog-shrouded island and having to fight dinosaurs.  And only Doug McClure made it off...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008 12:17 PM by Nangleator&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #50 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>48: well, I was just surprised by the article talking about "the United States" when, from context, they clearly mean the Federated Crown Colonies of North America. This must be one of those Intergrid jokes the kids are so keen on nowadays. You know, like LOLDogs.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  1:21 PM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #51 from guthrie</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ajay #38- where did that (all too true) bit of doggerel come from?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  1:24 PM by guthrie&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #52 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ajay #47: <em>the US issued a letter of marque in 1942 to a civilian-crewed airship? OK, when did we enter that alternate history?</em></p>

<p>That sounds like it would make a great sequel to "Custer's Last Jump".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  1:38 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #53 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the last dozen or so comments -- I feel as if I've fallen into a David Weber novel! <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  2:06 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #54 from Nangleator</title>
         <description>comment from Nangleator on  2.Oct.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  And just who would be Cordelia Ransom?  Never mind.  I figured it out.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  3:01 PM by Nangleator&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #55 from Leroy F. Berven</title>
         <description>comment from Leroy F. Berven on  2.Oct.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which might be more plausible if there were any serious prospect of Congressional action on <a href="http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/thomas" rel="nofollow">this proposal</a>.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  3:02 PM by Leroy F. Berven&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #56 from joann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And has no one ever written some fiction about this airship privateer? Or its alternate universe? (Dibs, dibs!)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  5:53 PM by joann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #57 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50: What is this "LOLdogs" of which you speak? Are they anything like MACrats?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  8:45 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #58 from Epacris</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guthrie (@51), the quatrain(?) at ajay's #38 is by <a href="http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/766.html" rel="nofollow">Humbert</a> <a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWwolfe.htm" rel="nofollow">Wolfe</a>. His most-quoted, & parodied verse. Some more of his poems and a potted bio at those links.</p>

<p>Ginger, all indeed is well, do not your <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010560.html#293219" rel="nofollow">giant</a> <a href="http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-8561-p-9.html" rel="nofollow">oak</a> <a href="http://www.joker.si/mn3njalnik/lofiversion/index.php/t18661.html" rel="nofollow">trees</a> still migrate south every winter?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  9:19 PM by Epacris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #59 from Ginger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epacris @ 58: Indeed they do -- they're pulling up roots this week in preparation of their great migration. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008  9:42 PM by Ginger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #60 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
         <description>comment from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey on  2.Oct.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cool thing is that Ron Paul, who advocated the re-introduction of letters of marque and reprisal, <i>also used <a href="http://www.ronpaulblimp.com/" rel="nofollow">an airship</a> in his presidential campaign.</i> </p>

<p>Truly, we are living on an alternate timeline.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  2, 2008 10:11 PM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #61 from albatross</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Airships are the wrong tool here.  What we need is a larger force of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk" rel="nofollow">iceberg aircraft carriers</a> patrolling the dangerous parts of the sea.  Her Majesty's Ice Navy can sweep the seas clean of pirates, if given enough time and wood pulp.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  3, 2008  9:18 AM by albatross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #62 from Neil Willcox</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>...airship privateers operating from iceberg bases in international waters.</p>

<p>It's clearly the only way to keep the sealanes safe from the threat of ptero-pirates.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  3, 2008 12:06 PM by Neil Willcox&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #63 from Carrie S.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know, those ornithopters can skim the waves.  You never see them coming.  </p>

<p>The airships better be filled with something inert, lest the phosphorus guns set off a disaster, though.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  3, 2008 12:10 PM by Carrie S.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #64 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was puttering around Google, looking up the history of LOLdogs and noted, of course, the popularity of C. M. Coolidge's "Dogs Playing Poker" series of oil paintings from the early 20th century. About the earliest LOLdogs I can think of are the Chinese happiness dogs, widely represented in artwork of the period.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  3, 2008 12:59 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #65 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010616.html#298437" rel="nofollow">joann @ 56</a>, you may find something to your taste at the <a href="http://spontoon.rootoon.com/SPwHome1.html" rel="nofollow">Spontoon Islands</a> website. There are airship battles in Walt Reimer's Rain Island stories.</p>

<p>As for LOLdogs, I also recall pictures of foxes in traditional fox-hunting garb.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  5, 2008 10:54 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>More dirty work than ever I do -- comment #66 from albatross</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave #65:</p>

<p>In the last two books in Stirling's <em>Island in the Sea of Time</em>, an airship plays a moderately important role, including taking part in several battles.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  5, 2008 11:47 PM by albatross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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