Jane

That means I can't use AP content to show that George W. Bush is a liar, or Donald Rumsfeld is a war criminal, or John McCain is a dunderhead, or Heckuvajob Brownie is incompetent.

Who did they say they were working for?

Pick and choose
Happy news
Only, please...

“you may be eligible for a reward of up to $1 million”

Count the weasel words!

Hrm. So, if the AP writes an article saying that Person X raped and murdered several 8-year-old girls, it would be against their terms and conditions to reprint that story?

What's the point of newspapers, again?

You seem to be channeling similarly to what caused me to write posts #80 & 81 over at the earlier-commenced thread of this stuff at
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010341.html#010341

How,
What,
When,
Where,
Who, and
Why

News Organizations have stopped using them for at least a decade.

/snark

On the upside, at least I have a legitimate reason to never link to a single Nedra Pickler article again. I'm askeered of the lawyers!

A.

unassociatedpress.net/

Does this mean I can turn you if for that sweet reward?

Not if you paid and only said good things about the rapist.

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Making Light rocks. So does Scalzi. I think I'll go leave him a comment to that effect...

What is "iCopyright" and what is the Associated Press's relationship with it?

What is "SIIA" and what is the Associated Press's relationship with it?

"Richard, it profits a man nothing to trade his soul for the whole world, but for Wales..."

Will we at least see some nattily-dressed bloggers take up the Dog the Bounty Hunter role in the ecosystem, and chronicle their bounty-hunting prowess? Will those bloggers donate their blood money to an organization that fights copyright dimwittery?

Will they arrange for Goofus and Gallant(TM?) to illustrate the copyright Do's and Don'ts? If "Do's" has an apostrophe and s, should "Don'ts" have an apostrophe too?

Check their "Your services" link. Reuters and the Boston Globe and others have joined up.
http://info.icopyright.com/service.asp

From a quick look at their site, it seems that maybe they'll be spidering to locate most of the uses of their tagged material. Will the human stooges be useful to turn in the sites that bar robots?

I smell rat urine when seeing e.g. invented ad-supported permissions type language.

The "about us" page on their website saying nothing about who they are or their financing.
http://info.icopyright.com/contact.asp however gives an address of Issaquah, WA. No offense to Jon why-can't-I-think-of-his-last-name the mad scientist who has a fondness for blue foods, for making pottery with nondeterministic glazes, who lived in Issaquah or vicinity for some number of years, but the time I was out there, the area frazzled my nerous systems as giving off the psychic equivalent of mixing the worst of LA and Colorado as regards worldviews... the disregard for other's rights of the "this is OUR property that we will despoil any way we want and if you don't have our permission to be on it the appropriate thing to do is treat you like Al Capone treated competitors," Mountan Man attitude, and LA's narcissism.

There's also the 'Service Industry Advertising Awards'.

Somehow none of those seems to apply to AssP.

Did I see any of the big names of the industry? (can't think of the one best known -- just thought of it, ESRI, which is as far as I know the very long-time industry leader in it...)
Nope-- here are the three that showed:

COMPANY CITY STATE COUNTRY
ERMS Corporation Oakville ON Canada
Euclid Infotech Pvt Ltd. Mumbai Maharashtra India
Xi'an Hi-Tech Industries Development Zone Xi'an City Shaanxi China

I smell MORE rat urine!

http://www.siia.net/piracy/report_content.asp

Girl Scout troops and church newsletters, now's the time to start living the righteous copyright life. You've been warned.

I hope that's a typo, and that they're not setting up a system to organize enforcers.

Now sit down, concentrate on regularizing your breathing for a few minutes, and abjure Manichaeanism.

Bill Higgins: I have taken the liberty of correcting the acronym in your post to SIIA, "Software & Information Industry Association."

Those are very good questions you're asking.

If I'm right, that's going to have the same set of problems you get when you pay your tax collectors and witch finders by giving them a cut of the take.

...

I want someone to devise a new Creative Commons license, fast, that grants the normal sets of rights unless the material is going to be used by the Associated Press. Or possibly by the Associated Press or by any publication that employs iCopyright.

Like DR ATOMIC, NIXON IN CHINA, Hell, anything Anna Deavere Smith or any other heads-up performance artist does will be silenced, due to the reporting artists use to portray zeitgeist.

THE LARAMIE PROJECT? The Civilians' work? Living Newspaper skits? I know that the New World Order paranoiacs worried about news being controlled at a single source, with journalists licensed by the state, but it's a caution when the news agencies want *us* to be licensed not only to read the news, but to repeat it in any fashion.

And a girl has to wonder why this is coming out now, in a lame-duck administration, right after yet another attempt to push through FISA-hijinks and net neutrality shenanigans. It's a mercy they didn't pull this crap in August, but it's convention season and vacation season....

See for instance SCO and their attempts to get all Linux users to sign a copyright license agreement for their use of ideas in System V Unix, which it ultimately turned out that SCO had never even owned. The only Linux users who ended up screwed were the ones who signed.

See also that "Lightning Field" mentioned in the Sumer Is Icumen In - their website says that if you go there, they want you to sign an agreement stating that they have a copyright on the surrounding landscape which bars you from taking pictures. It's nuts.

Are there really any great number of CC licenses that don't have either NC or SA provisions?

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Piñata!

Paula @24/25 - I think you may have experienced a completely different Issaquah than I have. It's a boring suburb, but hardly "morally and ethicall bankrupt" and I know more than a few fine people who live there.

Also, I'm not sure if I should be offended, since Seattle is also "in that part of the country". Last time I checked, we had the most liberal member of the House. (Issaquah, not so much on that score.)

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Xerox isn't a member.
Gartner isn't a member.
Forrester Research isn't a member
EMC appears to not be a member
IDG appears to not be a member
Sony appears to mot be a member
Hewlett-Packard appears to not be a member
Apple listed as Apple Education is a member, ["COMPANY DESCRIPTION
Apple ignited the personal computer revolution in the 1970s with the Apple II and reinvented the personal computer in the 1980s with the Macintosh. Apple is committed to bringing the best personal computing experience to students, educators, creative professionals and consumers around the world through its innovative hardware, software and Internet offerings.}'
and Apple has someone on the Board of Directors, Sun does also.
IBM seems to be a member, but "no corporate logo available," what?
http://www.siia.net/membership/siia_directory/profile.asp?A=IBM+Corporation&B=New+Orchard+Road&C=&D=Armonk&E=NY&F=10504&G=USA&H=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eibm%2Ecom&I=%28914%29+499+1900&J=%28914%29+765%2D7383&K=&L=&M=False&N=False&O=&P=&Q=False&R=False&S=&T=&U=False&V=False&W=&X=&Y=False&Z=False&AA=&BB=&CC=False&DD=False&EE=&FF=&GG=False&HH=False&II=&JJ=&KK=False&LL=False&MM=&NN=&OO=False&PP=False&QQ=IBM+develops%2C+manufactures%2C+and+sells+advanced+information+processing+products%2C+including+computers+and+microelectronic+technology%2C+software%2C+networking+systems+and+information+technology%2Drelated+services%2E&RR=&SS=Public&TT=Somers%2C+NY%3B+Boulder%2C+CO%3B+Boca+Raton%2C+FL%3B+Austin%2C+TX%3B+Atlanta%2C+GA&UU=PRSGR%2CVOXREC%2CPTLS%2CI%2DWDAT%2CPROL%2CACCTG%2CADMIN%2CAPPU%2CARCHI%2CBARC%2CBDEV%2CCAD%2CCOMMS%2CENTRSF%2CFAXS%2CISSTE%2CCNNEC%2CSPEC%2CTRMNL%2CDBS%2CDBF%2CDBR%2CEMSF%2CENGSF%2CFRMS%2CGMES%2CGADV%2CGARCD%2CGSIM%2CGSTRA%2CGFAM%2CGEOG%2CGUI%2CGRPWR%2CHYPER%2CIMGEP%2CINVMG%2CLGL%2CMFGMT%2CMEDH%2CMUSIC%2CNETWK%2CPDA%2CPENB%2CBUSPR%2CSCHT%2CPROL%2COOPL%2CPTLS%2CSCIEN%2CSECRTY%2CSPRD%2CSYSU%2CSBM%2CLANMAN%2CSYSEN%2CDFMAN%2CCMPR%2CSCHK%2D12%2CCLAMF&VV=&WW=

East coast and west coast environs get very very very different...e.g., Framingham is 30 miles out from Boston and one of the world's two largest towns (the other giant town is Brookline, which has Boston on three sides, Brookline assiduously avoided annexation).

The climate out in Washington state headed 30+ milies east of Seattle is nice, the scenery is spectacular... but some--not all, but some-- of the attitudes reminded me of the worst mindsets of Colorado Springs, home of Focus on the Family and its promulgators and theirset of values. Washington State on certain social and upon other things policies is less rightwing than the Focus on the Family sorts generally, but "generally" is an average.

The rule here: remember that you're a guest in someone else's house. From this all else flows. (Or the disemvoweller comes out.)

Regarding #43: Awesome!!!! ;-)

Agreed. Anyone who thinks "asshats" is a useful term in discourse isn't going to last long here. Or "idiots", "sheep" and "clowns".

All it takes is a little basic research, a wee review of the usual tone of the threads, maybe even a clue who does what for a living here.

Ah...I see the shadow has already fallen, between the comment and the preview.

Fixed. PJ Evans forgot a colon. Fortunately, we can rebuild the link. We have the technology.

Oh, so when you said "Colorado" up earlier and described the entire state as having a single mind-set, you actually meant "Colorado Springs"? That would explain my cognitive dissonance.

(Seriously, I wish that dang city didn't have the name of the entire state in its name. People see that, they think Focus On The Family somehow represents Boulder, or Estes Park, or Denver, or Nederland (where Grandad's In The Tuff-Shed), or Niwot where that friendly family north of the main drag sell me honey, or for that town up north in Weld county--Greeley--that's known for both odiferous cattle ranching and opera singing. And that's not mentioning all the little ski towns along I-70 or the Western Slope or even the towns neighboring the Springs which sorta look embarrassed when Dobson comes up in conversation. If only the home of Focus on the Family were named, I dunno, "Gilead" or something, maybe people would stop making that mistake.)

I spy, with my little eye, a troll canard that starts with "you people persecute me because you just can't stand dissent." What's it doing next to that big cannister of liquid rudeness? Doesn't anyone realize that's a flame hazard? Please, please, won't someone think of the kittens?

A. Have another sweet little old lady say "Bingo!"

But what precipitated this, lest anyone forget, was the AP's attempt to lean on a blog for quoting 39 words of one of their articles with a link. Thus implicating everybody in the goddamn world in a conspiracy to cheat the poor lil' AP out of their hard-earned money.

I'm not able to add to the conversation on AP's unique and colorful take on copyright, except to say it looks as if someone in their contract department wrote the first draft while their IP guy had Father's Day weekend off.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks "asshats" is a useful term in discourse isn't going to last long here. Or "idiots", "sheep" and "clowns".

I would think that discussion of sheep and asshats would be encouraged by the knitty among us.

I think it's actually kind of a fun word, provided you can back it up with some cogent argumentation, but then I have a foul mouth and evil mind.

Further down: "Lots of blogs are calling for boycotts of AP content. Not me. I'm going to keep using it. I will copy and paste as many words as I feel necessary to make my points and that I feel are within bounds of copyright law (and remember, I've got a JD and specialized in media law, so I know the rules pretty well). And I will keep doing so if I get an AP takedown notice (which I will make a big public show of ignoring). And then, either the AP -- an organization famous for taking its members work without credit -- will either back down and shut the hell up, or we'll have a judge resolve the easiest question of law in the history of copyright jurisprudence.

"The AP doesn't get to negotiate copyright law. But now, perhaps, they'll threaten someone who can afford to fight back, instead of cowardly going after small bloggers."

What? They're not made from...

Oh. Never mind.

Come to think of it, did anyone actually go to the trouble of combining the Bingo Thread collection with Skeptico's random card generator?

Fragano @#70: Proper attire for our congressional leaders...

Syd @#71: They're also using Sea Anemones and Owls. Monsters!

Speaking of which, here's some awesome monster pants.

Petty Quibbles: You've got both "I'm leaving" and "I'm out of here" on the card. Admittedly, those and other variants do tend to appear multiple times.... ;-)

Also, we had lots more than 25 entries... maybe do random draws from a larger list? It's been years since I saw real Bingo cards, but ISTR they drew from a pretty large set of number/letter combos.

I am not, on the the whole, accustomed to using vulgar language, but my response to AP, if challenged on this "use of their copyright material", is very likely to be: "Tough shit".

By the way, the AP situation has been Farked recently, replete with their customary subtlety.

They will be doing that, won't they?

Somthing like this?

Associated Press...violated...First Amendment

Associated Press...attack...surprised customers


AP...trying to get free stuff

Associated Press...usually...fails...exams
Associated Press...allegedly..abusing..children

I'm sure the regulars here can do better. Haiku must be possible.

-thomas

At AP's annual meeting they name
iCopyright Named Licensing Agent for Reuse of Associated Press Content Published Online

AP has determined that they consider to be fair-use to be exactly four words. More than that and you pay $12.50 - $100. This is pretty hypocritical considering that AP journalists help themselves routinely to much more than four words from blogs and websites in the name of "fair use".

AP takes this a step further and under the license pricing and terms of use for iCopyright they place language that raises eyebrows and limits free speech.. Pretty unusual for an entity that lives and dies by freedom of speech protection.

iCopyright License Excerpt:
Derogatory and Unlawful Uses: You shall not use the Content in any manner or context that will be in any way derogatory to the author, the publication from which the Content came, or any person connected with the creation of the Content or depicted in the Content. You agree not to use the Content in any manner or context that will be in any way derogatory to or damaging to the reputation of Publisher, its licensors, or any person connected with the creation of the Content or referenced in the Content."

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I think that any reasonable person would see a strategy in play and is very much at odds with rights they flaunt daily.

AP is large and may not be a monopoly in the strictest sense, perhaps oligopoly or cartel is a better description.

Is the AP behaving ethically and morally? Are they being a good citizen? Many say they're not.

AP's strategy and behavior raises lots of questions and concerns:

The Poynter Institute on it's blog asks: AP v. Bloggers: Hurting Journalism?

Pajama's Media Asks: Is the Associated Press Good for America?

Perhaps the question we need to ask is: "Is the AP evil?

I found a recent XKCD comic to be spot on target:

Internet Argument

Then, RIAA-style, you can fire off attorneygrams without needing the actual input of an attorney. If some of those attorneygrams result in additional licensing fees, you get two results: first, you maybe get some money. But second, and much more importantly, you establish the legitimacy of your licensing structure.

So paraphrasing to avoid contiguous extents of five words or more will allow bloggers to avoid that.

Here's another interesting technical trick I thought of. It would be relatively easy to monitor AP feeds automatically and try to Google all quotes. If those quotes appear on a blog, then the owner of the blog could be contacted to see if The AP paid them for the content or not. Do that long enough and maybe they'd see the light. (Note in this context that there has already been one instance of this: 22 words of TechCrunch quoted in the very AP story describing this entire thing! Here.)

So. Two ways to aggravate The AP.