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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #1 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I were a lad, you could see both red and grey squirrels in the<br />
parks of London, though the grey outnumbered the red. And now there are<br />
none. This is beyond sad.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  7:16 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #2 from Earl Cooley III</title>
         <description>comment from Earl Cooley III on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think of it as just revenge for the burning of Washington during the<br />
War of 1812, just like the seasonal crop rotation burning of Mexican<br />
fields to pollute Texas with the smoke is revenge for Texan<br />
independence. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  7:40 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #3 from Mary Aileen</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Aileen on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do realize that this is a serious matter and a real problem, but<br />
the instructions on packing a dead squirrel for shipment reminded me<br />
irresistibly of the US Post Office's <a href="http://www.usps.com/moversnet/howtopacka2.html" rel="nofollow">How to Pack a Hippo</a> (scroll about 2/3 of the way down the page).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  7:42 PM by Mary Aileen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #4 from P J Evans</title>
         <description>comment from P J Evans on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Aileen, shouldn't those packing instructions come with something about a 'Mug Old Fashioned Root Beer' at the end?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  7:51 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #5 from Linkmeister</title>
         <description>comment from Linkmeister on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the myriad reasons why I dislike the demagogues in Congress<br />
who rail against earmarks is that a very serious program to prevent<br />
brown tree snakes from getting into Hawai'i from Guam is constantly<br />
under attack as "pork." (Effect of that snake on Guam's ecology,<br />
infrastructure, bird and human populations <a href="http://www.fort.usgs.gov/Resources/Education/BTS/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)</p>

<p>Invasive species are not a joke, no matter what stupid politicians seem to think.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  7:59 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #6 from JESR</title>
         <description>comment from JESR on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Eastern Greys have out-competed the Western Greys in my part of<br />
the country; the little Douglas Squirrels and Northern Flying Squirrels<br />
survive because they exploit different species for food and nesting<br />
cavities.</p>

<p>The Eastern Grey Squirrels take a toll on my budget and sanity, too;<br />
I've been driven to using double baffles on all my feeders, and even<br />
then one squirrel has learned to launch it off the roof and hit the<br />
suet box assemblage at an angle which, eventually, knocks the wire box<br />
on the ground. Eventually because I've got an increasingly complex<br />
device or widget or perhaps agglutinating hardware assembledge to hold<br />
the box on to the baffle, and each attack results in more complications<br />
of spring clamp and hook and nut and washer fixing the box to its mount.</p>

<p>  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  8:36 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #7 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I'm doing my part to keep them here. I feed batches of grey<br />
squirrels along with the birds. The cats and I like watching all of<br />
them.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  8:51 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #8 from rm</title>
         <description>comment from rm on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought is that it's revenge for the <a href="http://www.wku.edu/%7Esmithch/biogeog/COOK1928.htm" rel="nofollow">starlings</a>.</p>

<p>But, of course, that's anthropomorphizing and two-wrongs-<b>making</b>-a-righting, and trivializing a real tragedy. I don't want to do any of that. Very depressing.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008  9:08 PM by rm&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #9 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Helm Murray on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now we're in a fair dearth of feral cats, which had held the<br />
grey squirrel population down. We've once again got squirrels (or<br />
something like them) in our attic and between-ceiling spaces.</p>

<p>Gonna have to find where we stowed my Have-a-Hart trap and try to<br />
trap them. I suspect (because I can't just kill something in cold<br />
blood, I'm not up to it) that if they're rats I'm still going to<br />
translocate them to 15 miles away to a park and releasing. Besides, I'd<br />
have to get it out of the trap to kill it, not going to happen.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008 10:26 PM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #10 from Lee</title>
         <description>comment from Lee on 13.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linkmeister, #5: Someone needs to sneak into the gardens of all the<br />
politicians involved and plant mint. Preferably multiple varieties. Let<br />
them see for themselves what "invasive species" means! <br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 13, 2008 11:11 PM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #11 from Linkmeister</title>
         <description>comment from Linkmeister on 14.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee @ #10: Kudzu.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  1:15 AM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, Linkmeister: Geranium "Claridge Druce."</p>

<p>At least you can kill Kudzu with glycophosphate.</p>

<p><br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  1:32 AM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #13 from Anna Feruglio Dal Dan</title>
         <description>comment from Anna Feruglio Dal Dan on 14.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I've heard convincingly argued is that the demise of the red<br />
has nothing to do with the grey, and a lot to do with the encroachment<br />
of the red's habitat by humans, pollution, and other anthropic factors.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  2:26 AM by Anna Feruglio Dal Dan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #14 from Epacris</title>
         <description>comment from Epacris on 14.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna @13, or perhaps they're being squeezed between those two<br />
pressures. Either wouldn't be good, the combination might be too much.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  2:42 AM by Epacris&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #15 from dbourne</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna @ 13</p>

<p>I've been following the red squirrel / grey squirrel problem in the<br />
UK for nearly 20 years, reading papers in journals and listning at<br />
conferences. Consensus I've heard in both conservation and veterinary<br />
circles is that it IS the grey squirrels, aided by squirrelpox, that<br />
are primarily responsible for the recent rapid decline in red<br />
squirrels. There are areas where red squirrels have been fine for<br />
decades, greys arrive, and, without any sudden change in habitat, reds<br />
rapidly vanish from the area.</p>

<p>It used to be we couldn't understand how greys were out-competing<br />
reds so hugely (larger size and better ability to utilise resources<br />
such as <b>acorns</b> were not sufficient to explain the speed of the effect). Then squirrel pox was discovered - and that makes all the difference.</p>

<p>That's not to say that some of the change in range of red squirrels<br />
hasn't been due to other anthropogenic factors such as changes in<br />
forest types. However, in Continental Europe many of the same factors<br />
apply, but where the grey squirrels have been introduced, without<br />
carrying the squirrel pox, the red are holding their own...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  4:20 AM by dbourne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #16 from Andy Brazil</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The anthropic argument is unlikely. I can't think of a more<br />
polluted, human-infested place than Victorian London - and yet the Reds<br />
survived just fine into living memory. The virus is the most likely<br />
explanation. </p>

<p>I've tried several times to see reds in those places where pockets<br />
remain, and dipped out everytime. It's sobering to realise how many<br />
species will be extinct before I manage to see them, and this in the<br />
country that has the best wildlife protection policies on the planet.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  4:38 AM by Andy Brazil&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #17 from martyn44</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching red squirrels only yesterday, walking distance from my house in Northumberland.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  4:57 AM by martyn44&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #18 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>dbourne @ 15</b></p>

<p><i>but where the grey squirrels have been introduced, without carrying the squirrel pox, the red are holding their own...</i></p>

<p>Could it be that the way to save the red squirrel might be to<br />
develop a vaccine that would produce immunities in the reds without<br />
causing the pox, one that could be sprayed around their habitat and<br />
remain active? Are enough people exercised over the fate of red<br />
squirrels that the effort required to do that might be forthcoming?</p>

<p>And just because I couldn't keep a straight face in the tumbril<br />
headed for Mme. Le Guillotine, I point out that I've always known the<br />
Brits couldn't live with Reds.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008  5:15 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #19 from Peter Erwin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rm @ 8:<br /><br />
<i>My first thought is that it's revenge for the starlings.<br /><br />
</i></p>

<p>Or for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_domesticus#House_Sparrows_in_North_America" rel="nofollow">House Sparrow</a> (which was generally known as the "English Sparrow" where I was growing up).</p>

<p>It's been relatively rare for N. American species to be introduced<br />
to Europe, since the traditional trend was for European colonists to<br />
import animals and plants from home.</p>

<p>The role of disease in this makes for an interesting parallel with the role of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylloxera" rel="nofollow">phylloxera</a><br />
(a N. American louse introduced when N. American grapes were brought to<br />
Europe for experimental cultivation) in devastating European vineyards.<br />
Most "organisms" are actually constellations of associated symbiotes,<br />
commensalists, and parasites; sometimes it's the latter that cause the<br />
most trouble.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) @ 18</p>

<p>There are two components to this:</p>

<p>1) Develop a vaccine;</p>

<p>2) Develop an effective method for vaccine distribution in the wild squirrel populations.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, so far there is no vaccine. Even if one is developed there will still be the question of vaccine delivery.</p>

<p>There has been a lot of work on oral delivery of vaccines to wild<br />
animals, mainly for rabies control, and it still hasn't been perfected<br />
for all species - you need to develop the best bait, make sure it will<br />
be taken by your target species and not others, make sure it's safe if<br />
handled/eaten by other species, including domestic pets and small<br />
children, and develop an effective distribution strategy.</p>

<p>Or (blue sky thinking) it could be engineered into a virus which is<br />
easily transmitted between squirrels and confers immunity but not<br />
disease. However, that would need to be developed and then you would<br />
need permission to let a modified live virus "loose" in the field...</p>

<p>The considerable difficulties are why so far the emphasis has been<br />
on trying to prevent the grey squirrels from moving into remaining red<br />
squirrel strongholds.</p>

<p>I like the greys, but they are not supposed to be over here and they<br />
are causing serious problems for a native species (unlike some<br />
transplanted animals such as the small colonies of Bennett's wallabies<br />
in various parts of the UK).</p>

<p>Summer 2006 last I spent a fantastic half hour watching some red<br />
squirrels chasing around in Scottish woodland - the first time I'd seen<br />
them in the wild rather than in a zoo. Unfortunately unless there's a<br />
vaccine breakthrough soon, it looks like reds will not survive for many<br />
more years on the British mainland, only on islands which can be kept<br />
free of greys.</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #21 from Giacomo</title>
         <description>comment from Giacomo on 14.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to rely on my anecdotal evidence from the last six years in<br />
Manchester, I'd have to conclude that red squirrels were as real as<br />
fairies. </p>

<p>Greys are very (VERY) common, almost rats-like in their behaviour,<br />
very aggressive. They seem to thrive in business-park settings<br />
(well-mowed lawns with just a few trees and lots of rubbish being<br />
produced and stored in well-defined, constant places), which is the<br />
dominant landscape feature around here in the new (American?) century. </p>

<p>I'm not sure I like them scavenging our rubbish, but they keep<br />
coming back, so I guess they improve natural recycling... To be honest,<br />
in Italian cities you rarely see ANY type of squirrels, so I can't<br />
really think of them as "bad" anyway. </p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #22 from Giacomo</title>
         <description>comment from Giacomo on 14.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcb @20: <blockquote>"I like the greys, but they are not<br />
supposed to be over here and they are causing serious problems for<br />
native species (unlike some transplanted animals such as the small<br />
colonies of Bennett's wallabies in various parts of the UK)."</blockquote></p>

<p>Man, replace "the greys" with "Asian people", and "wallabies" with<br />
"Europeans", and this sentence looks strikingly similar to the BNP<br />
platform (bleurgh). Seriously, why can't we let grey squirrels win and<br />
be done with it? They are clearly stronger from an evolutionary point<br />
of view. I agree that we have to manage/reduce our impact on the<br />
environment, but why messing with natural changes? </p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giacomo @ 22 <em>"why messing with natural changes"</em></p>

<p>This is NOT a natural change, it's a man-made one. Grey squirrels<br />
did not swim across the Atlantic to colonise the UK, they were imported<br />
by humans. The diminution of the UK's red squirrel population in the<br />
face of grey squirrels and their pox virus is man-made damage just as<br />
much as the mess caused by introduced mammals (and other taxa) on a<br />
wide variety of islands. Try Googling for "invasive species". In my<br />
opinion, humans have a responsibility to mitigate the damage caused to<br />
ecosystems and individual species by human actions. </p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Giacomo @ 22</b></p>

<p><i>They are clearly stronger from an evolutionary point of view.</i></p>

<p>I don't agree with this statement. The combination of gray squirrel<br />
plus pox is destroying the red squirrel; it's situations like this that<br />
make the definition of "fittest" in darwinian evolution so difficult.<br />
What's causing the situation is not a direct attribute of either<br />
species, not a "strength" of the grays nor a "weakness" of the reds,<br />
except insofar as they have no immunity to the pox.</p>

<p><i>I agree that we have to manage/reduce our impact on the environment, but why messing with natural changes?</i></p>

<p>"Natural" in what sense? Certainly not in the sense that it was no<br />
one's fault, and just part of the blind workings of chance. The reds'<br />
lack of immunity to the pox would be completely moot if humans hadn't<br />
brought grays back from another continent. Humans don't get to just<br />
shrug off the consequences of our actions since we have the ability to<br />
a) recognize them and b) do something about them. Whether we actually<br />
do something in any given case depends on a lot of factors, but none of<br />
them preclude the requirement (in part for the sake of our own<br />
survival) to figure out what happened and what the consequences are<br />
likely to be.</p>

<p>I'll grant that there <i>probably</i> aren't any serious<br />
consequences in this situation for the health, livelihood, and safety<br />
of humans, but what about other such situations: the zebra mussel in<br />
the North American Great Lakes, kudzu in the American south, the<br />
Japanese Borer Beetle in the American west, rabbits in Australia, the<br />
spread of sea lice in the Pacific as a direct result of fish farming?<br />
And there are literally hundreds more such cases. One of the worst is<br />
something that most people are still convinced is as harmless as the<br />
spread of gray squirrels: the introduction of English ivy to the US and<br />
Canada. I have to go out in my yard every few weeks to pull it back so<br />
it won't kill the Douglas Firs and make them come down on my house (one<br />
of them was seriously strangled when I moved in; I cut all the runners<br />
at the base of the tree and it <i>still</i> took six months for the ivy to die all the way back).</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 is, presumably, a joke along the lines of "Well, Amtrak is<br />
basically the SS; I mean, the SS wanted to get a lot of people on to<br />
trains and take them somewhere too!" </p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>ajay @ 25</b></p>

<p>I hope you'll forgive my saying that, if #22 is a joke, it's perhaps<br />
a gnat's whisker funnier than the example you gave. But only that much.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are Ottawa's black squirrels? They used to haunt the grounds of the Prime Minister's residence 30 years ago.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee #10: Chtorrrrrr!  </p>

<p>Bruce #24: ISTM that you're <b>making</b><br />
a kind of moral argument here, about a moral obligation of humans (I<br />
guess all humankind) to mitigate environmental damage caused<br />
unintentionally by other humans. I'm not quite sure how to untangle<br />
that. I certainly wouldn't accept the same kind of argument applied to<br />
groups--say, that since some Europeans brought diseases to the New<br />
World that all but wiped out the native population, other Europeans<br />
centuries later are somehow responsible for undoing the damage or<br />
compensating the survivors' children or whatever. (That is, I don't see<br />
humankind or all Europeans as moral decisionmaking units which can be<br />
held responsible for their actions. There are individuals, governments,<br />
churches, corporations, etc., which make decisions and can be held<br />
responsible, but not these huge amorphous groups of humans.)</p>

<p>I can see the practical argument that says, regardless of whether<br />
it's the fault of some human or not, we might want to do something to<br />
prevent undesireable changes in the environment. But that's quite<br />
different from the moral argument. For example, I'd feel about as<br />
strongly about the need to take some action about rising CO2 levels,<br />
temperatures, ocean acidity, etc., whether it was caused by humans or<br />
by some nonhuman cause. The interesting question is whether we can do<br />
something about it, not whose fault it is.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge @27, according to my <i>National Audubon Society Field Guide to Mammals</i> the black squirrel of Toronto is a subspecies of Eastern Grey Squirrel.</p>

<p>I was going to get all wildlife-biologist-y this morning and point<br />
out other cases of introduced viruses contributing to near-extinctions<br />
of various animals: canine distemper, for instance, is behind severe<br />
drops in population in the Black Footed Ferret, Cheetah, and, it is<br />
speculated, Stellar's Sea Lion. The Western Pond Turtle was almost<br />
wiped out by human influenza. (This is not fact checked. I myself am<br />
currently laid low by a cold, the unique sympton cluster of which has<br />
been reported on my friend's list from as far away as New Zealand).<br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JESR #6:</p>

<p>Hot pepper suet in the suet cage and safflower seed in the bird feeder have solved the squirrel problem for me.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008 11:53 AM by Nick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, actually tried both last winter. The squirrels of entitlement<br />
kept tearing down the feeders and spilling the seed all over the<br />
ground, anyway, although the hot pepper suet did wonders for feather<br />
color in the purple finches. The baffles have been a better solution,<br />
in terms of wasted seed and cleaning problems.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People putting their cat's faeces (from litter trays) down the<br />
toilet is thought to be how toxoplasmosis has got into the marine<br />
environment, where it's been killing sea otters.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008 12:08 PM by dcb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #33 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula Helm Murray:  translocating is bad.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008 12:26 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #34 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JESR --</p>

<p>Try one of <a href="http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.aspx?c=1&amp;p=48756&amp;cat=2,10719,33068" rel="nofollow">these</a>.</p>

<p>I have one mounted on a post on my back balcony, just too high for squirrels to reach from the rail.</p>

<p>I get squirrels in the back yard, squirrels on the balcony (until<br />
the starlings assault them), but I don't get squirrels on the feeder.</p>

<p>I see to be in the black-and-red zone of Toronto, rather than the<br />
grey zone, admittedly, but that feeder seems to report success over a<br />
fairly wide swathe of New England.</p>

<p>Tangentially, I have been astonished at just how much the local<br />
flock of mourning doves can eat almost as much as by finding out a<br />
squirrel-resistant feeder <b>is</b>.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcb, it looks like influenza was first introduced to the vulnerable pond turtle population by a single failing septic system.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 14, 2008 12:31 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JESR #31:</p>

<p>I haven't had problems with the squirrels ripping down the feeder.<br />
It's mounted securely to the top of a 4" x4" wooden post. I resorted to<br />
that after losing several hanging feeders to raccoons who simply detach<br />
the entire feeder and cart it away. </p>

<p>The raccoons removed the suet cage once, but they haven't repeated<br />
that behavior. I guess they're smarter than squirrels and hot pepper is<br />
a powerful educational tool.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #37 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JESR, you might want to consider getting a <a href="http://www.birdquest.com/twirl.htm" rel="nofollow">Twirl-A-Squirrel</a>. (Didn't we have a thread about those sometime last year?) <br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #38 from dcb</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula Helm Murray @ 9</p>

<p>To expand on Terry Karney's comment @ 33:<br /><br />
As an example, translocation of raccoons from the south-east USA to<br />
further north (mid-Atlantic states) is what allowed raccoon rabies<br />
strain to spread - now it's all up and down the eastern seaboard and<br />
creeping westwards across Ohio. Millions of dollars are spent annually<br />
on control effors. Further, efforts to prevent this rabies strain from<br />
moving south through the Cape May peninsula of New Jersey were<br />
frustrated by people translocating raccoons to south of the vaccination<br />
belt. (Ref: Journal of Wildlife Diseases 34 p 752-763, Roscoe et al.<br />
(1998) Efficacy of an oral vaccinia-rabies glycoprotein recombinant<br />
vaccine in controlling epidemic raccoon rabies in New Jersey) </p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First: any squirrel solution costing more than ten dollars per unit<br />
is out due to single income family with car payment and out-of-state<br />
tuition issues. The baffles have been cost effective (price of baffle<br />
compared to seed consumption) within two weeks, and are the best<br />
solution so far (although I suspect the squirrels of having planning<br />
meetings all summer, since solutions which are effective one winter are<br />
shot down within a week of hanging feeders the next).</p>

<p>Second: squirrels seem less concerned with pain than with winning;<br />
I've coated the suet box with capsaicin creme in an attempt to create<br />
maximum negative reinforcement, and it worked not at all.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P J Evans (4): The instructions do look shorter than I remember. Is the root beer a specific reference I'm not getting?</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they could transplant North American red squirrels to the UK?<br />
I have no idea if they can actually coexist with gray squirrels (seems<br />
to me the red territory is further north) but they might possibly be<br />
immune to the squirrel pox.</p>

<p>I know it wouldn't be the <i>same</i> red squirrels as the original species . . . but they'd still be red, right?</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Aileen, that reminded me <em>so</em> much of Mug's 'One Minute<br />
Animal Training Lesson' commercials ... 'The first trick to teach your<br />
hippopotamus is to roll over.' (ISTR that the either the<br />
elephant-training or the gorilla-training started out with 'put me<br />
down'. Repeat quietly but firmly ....)</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I know it wouldn't be the same red squirrels as the original species . . . but they'd still be red, right?</em></p>

<p>If colour is the only criteria, I'd vote for paintballing the greys.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence @41 -- <em>Maybe they could transplant North American red<br />
squirrels to the UK? ... I know it wouldn't be the same red squirrels<br />
as the original species . . . but they'd still be red, right?</em></p>

<p>Um, Laurence? I do hope you're joking. (Anyway, it's not the color<br />
so much as those cute tufted ears -- there's a black subspecies, too).<br />
I've observed both North American red squirrels and the Eurasian reds,<br />
and they're very different in size and habits. The American reds are<br />
significantly larger and fairly aggressive, and they can live more<br />
comfortably among humans than I've observed with the European<br />
squirrels. </p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>albatross @ 28</b></p>

<p>Let me reply on two levels. First, I was responding to what I saw as<br />
a moral argument that said, "If we're not to blame (i.e., if it's an<br />
effect of a 'natural' cause), then we don't have to deal with the<br />
problem." From any practical standpoint I can think of this has to be a<br />
dangerous fallacy. Many of the invasions that have occurred in the last<br />
century could have been stopped if there had been a quick enough<br />
reaction; once the invasion gets beyond a certain population size<br />
and/or spatial range, it's much harder if not impossible to stop. So<br />
there's a practical reason for not ignoring <i>any</i> invasion, no<br />
matter how innocuous or limited it might seem on the surface. You can<br />
always decide not to act if you've examined the situation; you can't<br />
know the cost of acting versus not acting if you don't examine it.</p>

<p>Second, I think there is a moral component here, and I would like<br />
point out that practical considerations are just as relative as are<br />
moral considerations: they depend on who you are, what your personal<br />
and subgroup concerns are, and how your moral view (as contrasted eith<br />
your practical outlook) fits with others in your community. I think<br />
it's perfectly valid to express moral concerns along with practical<br />
ones; two people discussing an issue may have different takes on both<br />
morality and practicality, but I don't see that one aspect necessarily<br />
has primacy over the other.</p>

<p>So I'm saying that, yes, there is a moral aspect to these questions<br />
of what we do about invasive species: it revolves around<br />
responsibility. As a species we have certain powers, and our<br />
responsibility is to use them with care and forethought (because we're<br />
capable of that), and to attempt to deal with situations where care and<br />
forethought weren't enough to prevent problems. And that intertwines<br />
with the practical aspect that those abilities make it possible for us<br />
to ameliorate problems when they do happen; to refuse to do that<br />
categorically is both impractical and immoral.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie @44:  <i>I do hope you're joking. . . . The American reds are significantly larger</i></p>

<p>I was mostly joking. I don't really think my suggestion would work.</p>

<p>If Eurasian reds are smaller than American reds, they must be pretty<br />
darn small. The American reds that I remember are much smaller than the<br />
grays.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to that font of all knowledge, Wikipedia, N. American Reds<br />
are slightly smaller than Eurasian reds. It's Fox Squirrels that are<br />
the big ones.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurence -- Given the history of [human-]introduced species, I tend<br />
to think "let's introduce something new" should be about last on the<br />
list of "let's see how we can solve Problem X." </p>

<p>(Nick -- I can only compare what I've seen in Iowa vs. Germany. My<br />
first reaction with the German squirrels (after, Awww, cute ears!) was<br />
Yikes! Those are <em>scrawny</em>.)</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 10 years ago, my best friend and I were mountain biking in<br />
Cumbria when we saw a red squirrel in a tree. It was the first time<br />
either of us had ever seen a wild red squirrel. We told our families<br />
and friends (in York, Devon and Brighton respectively) and nobody ever<br />
believed us, because 'there are no red squirrels in England any more'.</p>

<p>Here in Central Europe, the reds still seem to be fairly common, as<br />
there are decent-sized chunks of state-owned forest where they like to<br />
live.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the whole hypothesis falls over when you realise that<br />
the two species occupy completely different ecological niches. Red<br />
Squirrels live in native coniferous woodlands and eat pine kernels and<br />
fungi (no, they don't eat <b>acorns</b>; in fact they make them ill). The Greys prefer deciduous woods (they do eat <b>acorns</b>). They don't thrive at all in native coniferous woodlands.</p>

<p>Strangely, there is hardly any native coniferous woods left in the<br />
UK, because humans chopped it all down. We have plenty of urban<br />
parkland, though, where Grey Squirrels thrive, and Reds can't survive<br />
at all. Funny that.</p>

<p>There again, this is a country that's going ahead with a badger<br />
cull, ostensibly to prevent the spread of bovine TB, even though the<br />
Irish did so and reported that it made no difference whatsoever.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nick</b>, #30, I had to put cayenne in with the seed when I saw a<br />
cute rat eating from my feeder because I knew the neighbors would have<br />
a fit. But it didn't stop the squirrels. I stopped putting it in after<br />
a while and the rat didn't come back. Must have moved.</p>

<p><b>Graydon</b>, #34, I have 18 mourning doves who eat regularly from<br />
the feeder (and the porch, where the seed falls) and there's four<br />
courting couples now!</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feòrag @ 50</p>

<p><em>Unfortunately, the whole hypothesis falls over when you realise<br />
that the two species occupy completely different ecological niches</em></p>

<p>You're wrong. There is considerable overlap. Habitat types used by Eurasian red squirrels (<em>Sciurus vulgaris</em>)<br />
include boreal coniferous forest but also broad-leafed woodland in<br />
western and southern Europe, and parks and gardens. They prefer<br />
mixed-species woodland rather than forests with a single tree type, as<br />
the food source is more reliable year-round. </p>

<p>The Eastern grey squirrel (<em>Sciurus carolinensis</em>) is found<br />
in Broad-leaved woodland, mainly with many tree species and<br />
particularly mature oak-hickory forests (in North America). In Britain,<br />
it uses a wide range of habitats, particularly mature broad-leaved<br />
forests (oak, beech, sweet chestnut, hazel), but also mixed woodland<br />
(broad-leaved/coniferous), mature coniferous, hedgerows, parks, gardens<br />
and urban areas with mature trees.</p>

<p>Reference - Wildpro: The Electronic Encyclopaedia and Library for<br />
Wildlife online at www.wildlifeinformation.org, with information from:<br />
The Handbook of British Mammals Third Edition (1981) G.B. Corbet &amp;<br />
S. Harris, Blackwell Scientific Publications, Oxford, UK, ISBN<br />
0-632-01691-4<br /><br />
The Atlas of European Mammals (1999)A.J. Mitchell-Jones, G. Amori, W.<br />
Bogdanowicz, B. Krystufek, P.J.H. Reinjnders, F. Spitzenberger, M.<br />
Stubbe, J.B.M. Thissen, V. Vohralik &amp; J. Zima. T. &amp; A.D.<br />
Poyser. ISBN 0856611301 <br /><br />
Grzimek's Encyclopedia of Mammals (1990) S.P. Parker (English Language<br />
Edition) McGraw Hill Publishing Company, New York. ISBN0-07-909508-9<br />
(set)<br /><br />
A World List of Mammalian Species. (1991) G B Corbet &amp; J E Hill<br />
.Natural History Museum Publications, London &amp; Oxford University<br />
Press, Oxford. ISBN 0-19-854017-5 <br /><br />
Key to British Land Mammals (1998) Simone Bullion Field Studies Council / The Mammal Society</p>

<p>Re. TB and badgers <em>even though the Irish did so and reported that it made no difference whatsoever </em>, I'm afraid you're wrong again.</p>

<p>The Irish study DID show a positive result from badger culling. It<br />
was the British study which suggested a positive effect in the centre<br />
of the culled areas but a negative "edge effect" due to increased<br />
pertubation of badger populations on the edge of the zone. References:<br /><br />
The impact of badger removal on the control of tuberculosis in cattle<br />
herds in Ireland (2005) J.M. Griffin, D.H. Williams, G.E. Kelly T.A.<br />
Clegg, I. O’Boylea, J.D. Collins and S.J. More.<br /><br />
Preventive Veterinary Medicine 67 p237-266.<br /><br />
Impact of localized badger culling on tuberculosis incidence in British cattle (2003)<br /><br />
Donnelly, C. A., Woodroffe, R., Cox, D. R., Bourne, J., Gettinby, G.,<br />
Fevre, A. M. le, McInerney, J. P., Morrison, W. I. Nature (London),<br />
2003 (Vol. 426) (No. 6968) 834-837.</p>

<p>This doesn't mean that badger culling is the only or necessarily the<br />
best way to solve the cattle TB problem. There are all sorts of other<br />
factors, such as movements of cattle from TB areas to TB-free areas for<br />
restocking after the 2001 Foot-and-Mouth disease epidemic, to consider,<br />
and more work is needed on keeping cattle and badgers apart (fencing to<br />
keep badgers out of barns, etc.) and on vaccines for use in the badgers<br />
and the cattle. TB is a horrible disease in badgers and the present<br />
situation is not good for badgers (or cattle). <br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to take a moment here to praise abi for the nice structure<br />
and clever allusions of the primary post. Workmanlike essay prose is<br />
all very well, but <b>making</b> the words sing and carry each other as she did makes us all more interested in getting the words right.  Thank you.</p>]]>
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<p>You're right. I enjoyed both the prose and the poetry, and I loved Abi's take on "packing a dead squirrel."</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Feòrag @ 50:</strong><br /><br />
<em>no, they don't eat <b>acorns</b>; in fact they make them ill</em></p>

<p>I was aware of that, but elided the detail to make the post title work.  The alternative, <em><b>Bury</b> my nuts at Wounded Knee</em>, while memorable, was not suitable to the topic.</p>

<p><strong>dcb @52:</strong><br /><br />
Wow.  A fantastic, informative post.</p>

<p>Do red squirrels eat Douglas fir seeds? Doug firs are an introduced<br />
species, but they're ubiquitous (in Scotland at least). The Forestry<br />
Commission seems to have a fetish for planting them in rows and calling<br />
it a forest.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bruce Cohen @53, dcb @54:</strong></p>

<p>Thank you both very much! I was under a lot of stress when I wrote<br />
it*, and found the process of adapting the verses extremely soothing.</p>

<p>I'm delighted that they've provided you with some enjoyment as well.</p>

<p>-----<br /><br />
* The mortgage company buried our application in their paperwork and<br />
missed a deadline. They then needed explanations that would have been<br />
better sought a month ago. Yesterday, however, they confirmed that all<br />
is complete.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know if squirrels eat Douglas fir seeds, but it wouldn't<br />
surprise me. They certainly like pine seeds (and also walnuts and<br />
pecans).</p>

<p>(I have to admit, I've never seen squirrels with <b>acorns</b>. Woodpeckers, yes: there's one species that stores them for later use.)</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi @ 56, sympathies. The same thing happened when I applied for my<br />
mortgage -- when I called to finish the deal, no one had ever heard of<br />
my application. My way of dealing with the stress was not nearly so<br />
delightful. (Yelling on the phone to bank, realtor, and boyfriend,<br />
collapsing in tears, cursing loudly, and finally getting mortgage<br />
through different company that could turn it around in 3 days so we<br />
didn't lose the house by having to delay closing.)</p>

<p>The verses are wonderful.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Caroline @58:</strong></p>

<p>The temptation to shout and scream was extremely powerful. However,<br />
my imperfect grasp of the local language was a highly effective<br />
incentive to find another way of dealing with things.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi @ 55</p>

<p>Thank you for your kind words regarding my post. I was afraid I'd<br />
provided too much info./references - but that's what I do for a living<br />
(collate wild animal health and husbandry information, fully<br />
referenced). If preferred, I could just put (references available) and<br />
provide them if requested...</p>

<p>At the risk of sounding pedantic, I would like to point out that saying that <b>acorns</b> are poisonous to red squirrels is a slight exaggeration. Red squirrels do eat <b>acorns</b>, but they can't use them as a major part of their diet: "Captive grey squirrels thrived on a diet of <b>acorns</b>,<br />
but red squirrels had a comparative digestive efficiency of only 59%,<br />
apparently because they were much less able than grey squirrels to<br />
neutralize acorn polyphenols." (Kenward, R. E. &amp; Holm, J. L.<br />
(1993). On the replacement of the red squirrel in Britain: a phytotoxic<br />
explanation. Proc. R. Soc. Lond. (B) 251: 187-194)</p>

<p>Regarding Douglas firs, it appears they are used by red squirrels<br />
but they are not a preferred tree species. Norway spruce are prefered<br />
(Bryce et al. (2002) Can niche use in red and grey squirrels offer<br />
clues to their apparent coexistence? J. Applied Ecology 39, 875-887<br /><br />
Interestingly, and pointing up again the importance of squirrelpox<br />
virus, in the Craigvinean Forest, Scotland, the two species have<br />
coexisted for about 30 years - they have diifferent niches within the<br />
ecosystem.</p>

<p>It is true to say that reds do better in pure conifer areas than<br />
greys do, but the two species didn't evolve together and their habitat<br />
use shows a lot of overlap (see the Bryce et al. paper again).</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Again, rejoice ye readers in this damned cold, or I could tl;dr on<br />
Pseudotsuga menziesii seeds, squirrels, and the weird connection<br />
between Scotland and the PNW thanks to Douglas, Menzies, Tolmie, and<br />
the Hudson Bay Co. until you all begged for mercy).</p>

<p>Douglas squirrels, in particular, are specialized feeders on Doug<br />
Fir seeds, but Northern Flying Squirrels and Red Squirrels also eat<br />
them, as do numerous bird species. They're not nutty wonderfulness like<br />
pignolas, though, and have not been reported as even famine food for<br />
humans. Bears, however, will raid squirrel caches of doug fir seeds, at<br />
least such is reported from Vancouver Island and the BC coast.</p>

<p>Douglas Firs look weird in the UK- they were introduced through seed<br />
rather than plants, so the dozens of commensal fungi, mosses, and<br />
lichens which color them in their native habitat are missing. It took<br />
me several minutes staring at the huge doug firs at Stourhead to make<br />
them fit my definition of that species; luckily, there were cones on<br />
the ground and even though they lacked the fine white lichenous growth<br />
of the real thing, they had the diagnostic trident seed scale, which<br />
Margaret McKenney described as "a rat going down a hole."</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi @ 56</p>

<p>Sympathies for the mortgage problems; glad to hear it's been sorted<br />
out. As I recall, moving house is one of the most stressful life events<br />
- third after losing a loved one and divorce, I think! This kind of<br />
paperwork hassle is one reason...</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcb; To echo P.J., the squirrels round here love the pecans. This is<br />
a problem for us, because they thrive, and then use them as highways to<br />
our stone fruits and avocados.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P J Evans  @ 57;  Terry Karney &amp; 63</p>

<p>It's clear that in general, squirrels like all sorts of nuts from<br />
deciduous trees and seeds from conifers. A quick browse through papers<br />
available onlline shows that there are differences in which of these<br />
foods are prefered by different squirrel species - which is one of the<br />
reasons why more than one squirrel species can live in a given area<br />
(different niches).</p>

<p>Terry, I'm envious that you can grow avocados. My parents have a<br />
walnut tree, but it doesn't produce many walnuts and the squirrels get<br />
them before we do. Ditto with the hazel in the hedge of my in-laws'<br />
house. A year ago I started planting a native-species hedge which<br />
includes some hazel (more hawthorne and sloe). I doubt, even when the<br />
plants get big enough, -we- will ever get any hazel nuts, since grey<br />
squirrels eat them before they ripen...</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #65 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We didn't get all the walnuts off the trees we shared with<br />
neighbors, what with the jays and the squirrels. Also the raccoon that<br />
showed up one Christmas and picked through the nuts on the floor of the<br />
covered patio ....</p>

<p>The pecan tree I remember, down the street, wore a wide metal collar<br />
a few feet above roof level, to discourage the furry bandits. (It was<br />
flat to the bark, not standing out from it.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 15, 2008  3:24 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #66 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>JESR @61:</strong><br /><br />
Having spent a material amount of my childhood in Humboldt County, I<br />
found the sight of Douglas firs in the UK highly disconcerting. They're<br />
simply the wrong <em>color</em>, like the wrong note in a chord.</p>

<p>And seeing them planted in rows, in a monoculture, made me actually <em>wince</em>.</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #67 from Madeline F</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the government considered offering a bounty on grey squirrels?<br />
Humans with traps and guns have been the best eliminator of dozens of<br />
species, a la wolves, wolverines, passenger pigeons, beavers, etc... I<br />
have some vague idea that bounties were considered in the case of<br />
rabbits in Australia, but I don't remember how that turned out.</p>

<p>On other threads, I have seen grey squirrels industriously burying <b>acorns</b><br />
from the oak out front in the front yard every fall. Also, the little<br />
bastards deny me almost every plum that grows on the plum tree in the<br />
backyard, missing only the ones waaaay out on the ends of branches.<br />
They also break a lot of branches getting to plums. I suppose it's<br />
nature's way of pruning for strength.</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #68 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcb/P.J.: Maia's mother has two pecans, even with the number of<br />
squirrels, there are more nuts than can be collected. The damn things<br />
are weeds (unless you spot the seedling right away, they just keep<br />
coming back from the piece of taproot you can't pull out).</p>

<p>Madeline (speaking as one who has been tasked with reducing the<br />
predacious squirrels): Traps aren't going to be much good (because they<br />
will get the red squirrels as well) and they breed too quickly for<br />
casual shooting to eradicate them. There are species which can take<br />
such a hard knock that they fold up the tents and go away. Rodents<br />
aren't usually in that category. They breed prolifically, and don't<br />
seem to be much bothered by disturbance; the red squirrel was holding<br />
on pretty well until the grey showed up, so it would take a lot of<br />
people actively hunting them to kill them off.</p>

<p>It might be that a program of really aggressive (and selective)<br />
hunting could keep them in check long enough for the resistant red<br />
squirrels to reclaim a slice of the pie, but I don't think they'll ever<br />
be eradicated.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi, it's the <i>bark</i> that flummoxed me- it looked, at best, like a badly hand-painted black and white photo, monochromatic and much too orange.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 15, 2008  7:07 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #70 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Aileen@3: That's wonderful! I wonder why it hasn't been taken down yet; from recent rumors, the USPS has no sense of humor.</p>

<p>To all having squirrel problems with bird feeders: you need better<br />
predators. Some friends who live ~25 miles out from Boston say the last<br />
squirrel that tried stealing birdseed got carried off by a red-tailed<br />
hawk.</p>

<p>I hate to hear of the red squirrels' wane, but AFAIK it could be<br />
worse; pray that the Canada geese don't spread. (When we visited Kew<br />
Gardens, before InterWhatsis 2, we looked at the condition of the paths<br />
a few steps in from the gate and said "Geese!" to each other.) Someone<br />
imported them thinking they were "ornamental" and perhaps not realizing<br />
just how effective they are at turning grass into gooseshit.</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #71 from JESR</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHip, I've got redtails, Cooper's hawks, and sharpshins, (also bald<br />
eagles, but they're not into rodents). I've even seen a goshawk and the<br />
occassional peregrine. Eastern Grey Squirrels out-reproduce them all.<br />
Especially since my neighbors in the subdivision next door had<br />
squirrell feeders up until this year.</p>

<p>What I'm missing, I suspect, is the great horned owl who disappeared<br />
a few years ago; the long eared owls are truly nocturnal, and the<br />
screech owls way too little.</p>

<p>What I forget to mention is the one upside: since the grey squirrels<br />
came, I've got Oregon White Oak seedlings everywhere; perviously, all I<br />
had was the mature trees.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 15, 2008  9:38 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHip @ 70</p>

<p>I'm not even going to -start- about the problems caused by Canada<br />
geese. [References available on request - and the problems in the UK<br />
are minor compared to some large US cities]</p>

<p>Our hope there is to encourage the greylag geese to return. Not that<br />
they would necessarily cause less problems, but at least they are<br />
native.</p>

<p>I once had a lady, best described as a "Canada goose bunny-hugger",<br />
tell me earnestly that it would be wrong to kill even a single Canada<br />
goose in the UK, ever, even if they could be shown, for example, to be<br />
putting native species at threat of extinction, because that would be<br />
"natural", while humans killing the Canada gees they had imported from<br />
the other side of the globe would be "wrong".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008  4:00 AM by dcb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #73 from guthrie</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dcb #72- I know someone with a punt gun, and someone else with a firearms licence.  Where do we sign up?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008  6:42 AM by guthrie&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #74 from Mary Aileen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHip (70): It's been there for years, through several different<br />
page-redesigns. Someone at the Post Office must still have a sense of<br />
humor.</p>

<p>Several Long Island golf courses have resident Border collies to<br />
chase off the Canada geese. It apparently works rather well, but it<br />
doesn't help the neighbors. Probably makes it worse, in fact, because<br />
the geese have to go somewhere.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008 11:54 AM by Mary Aileen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #75 from dcb</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guthrie@73<br /><br />
It's not that easy (as I'm sure you know)! Just because they are non-native doesn't mean they are not protected.</p>

<p>There's been a lot of work on things like how to make an area less<br />
attractive to Canada geese -which, as indicated by Mary Aileen @ 74,<br />
really has to be at least a regional effort - if you put up orange<br />
netting (which they don't like) and plant shrubs between your lake and<br />
grass lawns, so they don't have a clear line of sight, then you<br />
alienate your neighbour who now has to cope with the ones he already<br />
had plus yours as well.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008 12:07 PM by dcb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #76 from dcb</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Aileen @ 74</p>

<p>Just to say I really enjoyed "How to pack a hippo" as well.</p>

<p>My family had fun back in 1981 moving house complete with about a<br />
dozen tanks of tropical fish, various aviary birds, two greenhouses<br />
full of orchids, a couple of mallard and a pinkfoot goose (plus a cat<br />
and a dog, of course).</p>

<p>There's a whole set of regulations on air transport of live animals<br />
(IATA regulations), setting out cage construction etc. - much less<br />
entertaining than "How to pack a hippo".</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #77 from Paul A.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about Canadian Geese is making me think of <i>The Water Babies</i>, for some reason...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008 12:45 PM by Paul A.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #78 from JESR</title>
         <description>comment from JESR on 16.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada Geese are also a problem where they're putatively native;<br />
large stretches of green lawn where there was previously woodland means<br />
that what was once an unusual migratory species present in small<br />
numbers during the breeding season has now become a year-round plague.</p>

<p>They out-compete smaller waterfowl for both land and water food<br />
resources by means of their strength, aggression, and (in water) long,<br />
long necks. The subspecies B. c. gigas out-competes smaller subspecies,<br />
for that matter. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2008  2:36 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #79 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the transfer station today, dropping off mixed paper, and<br />
only saw one of their Canada geese. Usually there's a batch. But they<br />
pretty much just hang out around the pond.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2008 12:51 AM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #80 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Madeline F @ 67</b></p>

<p><i>I'm</i> not going after any gray squirrels. One day years ago I<br />
was sitting outside of the Tektronix Laboratories building (bldg 50,<br />
that used to be the corporate headquarters) eating lunch at a picnic<br />
table. A couple of crows landed a few feet from me, clearly after a bit<br />
of food that had fallen on the ground from somewhere. They sidled over<br />
towards their target, and just before they reached it, a squad of 5<br />
gray squirrels came around the nearest tree and chased away the crows.<br />
A couple of the squirrels grabbed the tidbit while the rest gave us<br />
humans the hairy eyeball, making sure we wouldn't try to steal their<br />
loot in turn. Any animal with that kind of military organization is not<br />
worth going after with traps and hunting rifles.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2008  2:03 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 17.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea if red squirrels can live on Douglas Firs, as there<br />
aren't any squirrels of that color with several thousand miles of here,<br />
AFAIK. But there a lot of Doug Firs, and I know that two of the fattest<br />
gray squirrels I've ever seen spend a lot of their time in the Doug Fir<br />
just outside my kitchen window. I'm surprised those squirrels don't<br />
fall off the tree, they're so plump.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2008  2:07 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #82 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce:  They aren't that hard to take out.  They are all bluff and bluster (at least to people).</p>

<p>Then again, I use a scope, and pot them from 30-60 ft.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2008  2:31 AM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Mary Aileen @74</b></p>

<p>Border collies have become a common solution to Canada honker<br />
congestion in a lot of places; as you say, it's a very local solution,<br />
suitable for golf courses that don't care about their neighbors' lawns.<br />
But it's good exercise for the dog.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2008 11:24 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #84 from A. J. Luxton</title>
         <description>comment from A. J. Luxton on 19.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*pokes head in after long absence*</p>

<p>The poetry is haunting and appropriate. This one may be small, but<br />
recent environmental news is quite disturbing in general. I've been in<br />
a state of incredulity since reading about the <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/22/floating-toxic-plast.html" rel="nofollow">continent-sized garbage soup</a> in the middle of the Pacific... </p>

<p>Grey squirrels are incredibly tenacious. Once I was out walking with<br />
one of my partners and we saw one of the local squirrels walking along<br />
a telephone wire... wheeling a humongous apple with its front paws. The<br />
apple was slightly bigger than the squirrel. The squirrel kept pausing<br />
when the wire swayed, then starting up again. We watched mesmerized<br />
until the apple finally tipped off the wire and I could swear that<br />
squirrel sported a crestfallen look as it scampered towards the pole to<br />
go down after its catch.<br /><br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #85 from Paul A.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Apple core!"</p>

<p>...only that was chipmunks. Never mind.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 19, 2008 10:30 AM by Paul A.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #86 from Kevin Andrew Murphy</title>
         <description>comment from Kevin Andrew Murphy on 21.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year I was cleaning out the cabinet and found some truly<br />
ancient pecans and walnuts. The trouble was, they were still unshelled<br />
nuts and some of them were still good and not rancid, even if not<br />
tasting terribly good. Of course, that still wasn't terribly good.</p>

<p>So I put them out in the garden on the roof of the shed. They lay<br />
there for several days until I went out and suddenly a squirrel came<br />
down the fence, paused, sniffed, then looked at all the nuts and had<br />
this expression like it had seen a mirage, quickly followed by one of<br />
"I found the Mother Lode!" Then it noticed me watching it and it<br />
quickly selected one pecan and ran off with it, looking back at me<br />
frantically every few feet down the fence as if it were afraid I was<br />
going to jump its claim.</p>

<p>The next day all the old nuts were gone except a few fragments, and the day after, even the fragments were gone.</p>

<p>The amusing thing is the squirrels have stashed them all over the<br />
place since a month later I saw a squirrel come out of the bottle brush<br />
tree holding one of the same old pecans.</p>]]>
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         <title>Bury my acorns at Wounded Knee -- comment #87 from Stefan Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Stefan Jones on 21.Apr.08</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#86: The first squirrel realized they were bad old rancid nuts and regifted them.</p>

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<p>You could probably put a bounty on those English gray squirrels, but<br />
a lot of the red guys would probably get knocked off as well. And<br />
pretty much anything else that has a tail and climbs trees. ("No, sir,<br />
you may not have the two shillings. These are cat ears.")</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 21, 2008 12:24 AM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:24:00 -0500</pubDate>
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