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      <description>But the fire is so delightful. That's a snowmobile burning on the trail, last March. The picture is taken from...</description>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #1 from JDC</title>
         <description>comment from JDC on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snowmobiling is one of those things that I was sure I was going to hate. Oh man was I wrong. They are great aside from the noise (which is a pretty big aside though I haven't experienced anything made this century). If someone made a snowmobile that was as quiet as cross country skiing I'd move WAY north. I need a fuel-cell powered snow mobile!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  1:20 PM by JDC&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #2 from Michael Turyn</title>
         <description>comment from Michael Turyn on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever someone here in Boston greets my stated desire to move to the Pacific Northwest with a "But it rains so much out there," I respond, "You don't have to shovel rain."</p>

<p>(Admittedly, you might have to pump it out, or [more recently] attempt to drag what's left of your comic-book collection from the sodden wreck of what was once your house, but still....)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  1:57 PM by Michael Turyn&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #3 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Jim: Fewer failed businesses, less unemployment, more money, people keeping busy in constructive ways = fewer of those messy EMT calls involving people you know?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  1:59 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #4 from P J Evans</title>
         <description>comment from P J Evans on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Bear got eight inches last weekend. My boss went up there, and showed us some pictures. Also he described all the cars in the roadside ditches where the snow had melted and turned to ice, before the surface got cold.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:01 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #5 from Tara</title>
         <description>comment from Tara on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our town -- same latitude as Colebrook, three hours due west -- mothers pick up their kids at the bus stop on snowmobiles. It's those mile-long rural driveways that no one wants to walk in the wind chill.</p>

<p>We don't have a snowmobile yet, so I waited at the bus stop with the tractor mower. Apparently, any small motorized vehicle will do when it comes to fourth-grade coolness, whether it's in season or not.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:02 PM by Tara&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #6 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in fourth grade, I would have thought a riding lawnmower was mega-cool.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:05 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #7 from Diatryma</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have ice.  Very pretty ice, covering each twig, each stubborn leaf, each bunch of needles, but ice.    Rain yesterday, too, which turned into ice and/or stayed on top of the ice.<br />
Our weather needs some fluffiness to it.  Sigh.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:09 PM by Diatryma&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #8 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 Teresa: <i>...fewer of those messy EMT calls involving people you know?</i></p>

<p>Right!  And more of the trauma calls involving people I don't know!</p>

<p>Words of advice on that:  Trees are <i>not</i> the preferred method of bringing your snowmobile to a stop, and internally mounted alcohol is a <i>bad</i> idea (see above, trees).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:11 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #9 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inquiring minds want to know: how did this post get made tomorrow but show up today?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:21 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #10 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to the miracle of typing 13 in the wrong blank (meant to be the time, not the day.  1300....)</p>

<p>I'll go fix it.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:23 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #11 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa @ #6, when I was 16 and it was my responsibility to mow our non-level 3/4-acre lot, the used riding lawnmower we purchased was way cool.  I didn't need to be younger to appreciate it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:33 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #12 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We only had half an acre, but there was a substantial hill, and I had to use an <i>electric mower</i> to mow it.  No wheel power, and gods help you if you mowed over the cord.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:44 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #13 from Tania</title>
         <description>comment from Tania on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something for Jim, and one of the many reasons why I'm always careful when I'm out snowmachining:</p>

<p>From a local employer's January 2001 newsletter:<br />
<blockquote>An unusual snow-machine accident just before Christmas put [redacted] in the hospital for more than three weeks. A three-and-a-half-inch diameter aspen tree plunged completely through [redacted]’s chest after he was thrown off his machine when it hit an obstruction in the trail. He and two friends had been riding their machines near the Old Richardson Highway. Amazingly, as medics used chain saws to cut off lengths of the 16-foot-long tree, [redacted] remained conscious. “I was just trying to keep my cool,” he recalls quietly. [Redacted] underwent more than 20 hours of surgery in three sessions. Doctors removed three ribs to extract the wood from his body. [redacted] also lost part of a lung and his spleen. </blockquote></p>

<p>All the newspaper accounts I can quickly find are behind paywalls. But, my point is -- be careful out there!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:50 PM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #14 from Scott Taylor</title>
         <description>comment from Scott Taylor on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. </p>

<p>We haven't gotten into the teens of inches - but by the 7th, we had gotten more snow in this December than we had all last December - and a significant portion of January as well - with only 8 - 10 inches of average snowfall in the area. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  2:53 PM by Scott Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #15 from Mary Aileen</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Aileen on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a third of an acre* and a push mower. Muscle power, none of this wimpy electricity or gas for us, no sirree!</p>

<p>*Most of which did not need mowing.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  3:11 PM by Mary Aileen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #16 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this snow of which you speak?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  3:24 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #17 from Ulrika O&apos;Brien</title>
         <description>comment from Ulrika O'Brien on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael @ #2 - to avoid flooding, don't live on a flood plain.  There are lots of hills to live on in the PNW, and being built on bedrock is better for earthquake safety anyhow.  Double win.  </p>

<p>We do get snow, but not normally in shovelling quantities.  More like, quick-get-the-camera-before-it-melts quantities.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  3:52 PM by Ulrika O&apos;Brien&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #18 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tania: there's another one for the "believe it or not" files. </p>

<p>Ever notice that no one mentions spleens except to say they've been removed?</p>

<p>Jim: your conscience is clear. You'd send them a book and encourage them to stay home and read it, if you only knew who they were.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  3:55 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #19 from Terry (still in Germany)</title>
         <description>comment from Terry (still in Germany) on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a kid I had a push mower.  We had a half acre of grass.  </p>

<p>It tended to be allowed to get long.</p>

<p>As for weather, here has been pathetic.  Where is the snow to justify the saccharine versse of O Tannebaum?</p>

<p>Not even a decent day of sunshine.  Just boggy rain, and teases of crytal clear nights, with hints of snow.  All of which fails to turn into decent weather.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  3:59 PM by Terry (still in Germany)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #20 from Diatryma</title>
         <description>comment from Diatryma on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've had more conversations involving spleens and mono than spleens and surgery.  Then again, mono is rampant in high schools and colleges, so it may be environmental.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  4:00 PM by Diatryma&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #21 from ethan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in college, I associated spleens more with surgery than with mono, because one of my closest friends had to have an overactive one removed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  4:02 PM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #22 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa 18: <i>Ever notice that no one mentions spleens except to say they've been removed?</i></p>

<p>Or vented.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  4:13 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #23 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spleens <i>are</i> occasionally vented, presumably not physically.</p>

<p>In fact, I often do that, particularly when our illustrious president makes a speech.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  4:15 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #24 from Scott Taylor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa @ 18 - <br />
<em>Ever notice that no one mentions spleens except to say they've been removed?</em></p>

<p>I dunno, Spleen seems like one of those "inherently funny" words - "I'll eat yer SPLEEN!" is funny. "I'll eat yer HEART!" is piratey. </p>

<p>(Gizzard is another inherently funny word). </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  4:37 PM by Scott Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #25 from NelC</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once invented an organ for a fictional alien species that combined the properties of a lung and a spleen; of course, I called it the <i>SPLUNG.</i></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  4:45 PM by NelC&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #26 from TexAnne</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NelC, 25: Splung? I thought that was the sound of a malfunctioning nipple.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  5:13 PM by TexAnne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #27 from Thena</title>
         <description>comment from Thena on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be my third winter in Olde New England and it's shaping up to be a lot... colder and whiter.... than the last couple have.</p>

<p>I am definitely going to be tired of looking at this by February or so, if it doesn't melt off.</p>

<p>On the other hand, I'm still in the "oooooh, ICICLES!" phase of hibernal acclimation.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  5:52 PM by Thena&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #28 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when the guy got impaled on the 16' aspen.  Word of that went shooting around the EMS/Snowmobile Rescue world, and everyone's instant reaction was "Woo!  Cool!"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  6:07 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #29 from Mez</title>
         <description>comment from Mez on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thena #27, for those wanting to speed up  hibernal acclimation, one of my contacts on Flickr has <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/drswan/tags/icy/page2/" rel="nofollow">some</a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/drswan/tags/winter/page21/" rel="nofollow">lovely</a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/drswan/tags/winter/page17/" rel="nofollow">photos of</a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=ice&w=48600078830%40N01" rel="nofollow">winter</a> in North America.  If you need something to cheer you up in the grey & dark days, there are brighter & sunnier ones taken in your summer that you can browse through too.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  7:45 PM by Mez&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #30 from Melissa (oddharmonic)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'Splung' is the noise my sewing machine makes when I accidentally sew over a pin.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  7:46 PM by Melissa (oddharmonic)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #31 from Lila</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday's high in Athens GA: 78 degrees (tied the record). We're also on track for 2007 to be the driest year on record.</p>

<p>No snow around here, boss.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  7:53 PM by Lila&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #32 from Tania</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's snowing outside right now. Go snow!</p>

<p>I have the annual snowmachine trip to the <a href="http://maps.google.com/?q=65.1523+-148.4948+(Tolovana+Hot+Springs)&ie=UTF8&ll=65.233705,-148.364868&spn=1.083871,3.619995&t=h&z=8&om=1" rel="nofollow">edge of nowhere</a> coming up in a few weeks, the annual excursion <a href="http://www.mosquitonet.com/~tolovana/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I'm one excited snowmachine driver.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  8:11 PM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #33 from Steve C.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why <em>do</em> people have so many heart attacks while shoveling snow?  Does the cold bump up the blood pressure?</p>

<p>Steve (in currently snowless Sugar Land).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  8:45 PM by Steve C.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #34 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lila #31: The warm weather's fine, but rain would be even more welcome. I can't recall more than the merest dusting of snow the past few winters.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007  9:33 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #35 from VictorS</title>
         <description>comment from VictorS on 12.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could probably look this up, but:  what does a spleen do when it's in proper condition?  I mean, it can't just be the medical-show-plot-device organ, right?</p>

<p>Steve C. @ 33 -- somebody with better knowledge will probably have to correct me, but:<br />
Wet snow is surprisingly heavy.  People who take no regular exercise go out and do the equivalent of a hundred squats or deadlifts in quick succession, with perhaps forty pounds of weight on the end of a stick and heavy winter clothes.  And no rest in between sets.  </p>

<p>It's not the cold -- it's the unaccustomed exercise.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 12, 2007 10:17 PM by VictorS&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #36 from Terry (still in Germany)</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall it has a role in the recycling of red blood cells</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007 12:04 AM by Terry (still in Germany)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #37 from Rob Rusick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an account of how the Canadian Mounties had found snowmobiles a big improvement over dog-sleds. </p>

<p>One safety feature: a pin plugged into the dashboard, attached to the driver with a cord. If the driver falls off the machine, the pin is pulled, and the snowmobile comes to a stop. You can easily ride into the woods much further than you'd want to walk back, and you don't want your ride taking off without you. </p>

<p>The downside of the snowmobile in comparison to the dogsled: if you are in an extreme survival situation, you can't eat a snowmobile.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007  1:24 AM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #38 from Tania</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, I'd add two other things to why dogs are better than machines.</p>

<p>1) You could, if you had to, have the dogs sleep with you for warmth.</p>

<p>2) If a dog is injured you can throw it in the basket and keep on going with a reduced team. If your machine fails*, you might be seriously hosed.</p>

<p>*Who, me? Have a clutch fail on a snowmachine? Of course not . . . Must be some other Tania. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007  3:42 AM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #39 from Alex</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you've got snow I envy you. But we have had a string of crystal cold days when the frost hasn't come off all day...and the sky is white....so perhaps.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007  8:24 AM by Alex&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #40 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 13.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The snow gauge in the webcam on the Pittsburg page is 3 feet, 3 inches tall.  The marks are two inches apart -- odd numbers on the left, even numbers on the right.</p>

<p>People do have those heart attacks from unaccustomed exercise, often in harsh conditions.  (We've already had our first snow-shoveling-related-AMI-of-the-season.)</p>

<p>(People who try to clear jammed snowblowers by sticking their hands inside are a whole-'nother source of emergency medical interest.)</p>

<p>Your spleen is a blood reservoir.  It has a function in recycling red cells, and in infection control.  In the case of a ruptured spleen--it's highly vascular (which is the medical term for "bleeds like crazy").  Enough spleen cells seem to get away and attach themselves to other abdominal organs to carry out a lot of the spleen's function in adults.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007  9:26 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #41 from Faren Miller</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picturesque (sparkly!) hard frost here, while the mountains got snow a lot earlier than the recent drought years, so it all seems pleasantly wintry from a nice warm room.</p>

<p>Our one meager snowfall so far has melted, but December on my Japanese print calendar has a lovely Hiroshige of a snowy mountain village. And aside from my view of distant snows, various nearby birds seem quite happy with the frosty morning: finches, sparrows, and the occasional raven (generally flapping madly with no thermals to ride). It's enough to produce a good "seasonal" mood -- as long as I avoid the news.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007 11:00 AM by Faren Miller&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #42 from inge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry @ 19: Still in Grafenwoehr? That place was otherwise occupied when the options for good weather were handed out. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007 12:35 PM by inge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #43 from ethan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Galdurned snow.</p>

<p>It just took me <em>three hours</em> to drive home from work. It usually takes me twenty minutes to <em>walk</em> home from work.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007  6:42 PM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #44 from Daniel</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"The downside of the snowmobile in comparison to the dogsled: if you are in an extreme survival situation, you can't eat a snowmobile."</i></p>

<p>Upside:  Your snowmobile cannot eat <b>itself</b>.</p>

<p>I actually know a guy who once had to walk about sixty cold February miles up the Yukon River (hungry) because his dogs (also hungry) ate the <i>babiche</i> (rawhide lashing) off his dogsled, reducing it to a bundle of unrelated birch sticks.</p>

<p>He apparently never <i>quite</i> got hungry enough to eat his dogs -- or, if he did, he doesn't tell that part of the story.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007 11:29 PM by Daniel&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #45 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our 'next step' is apparently coming tomorrow but it will be snow. And only on the Friday/Saturday nightside.  We'll deal.</p>

<p>We lucked out on the ice, apparently it stayed enough above freezing during the rainy portion of the exercise to glaze the trees but only with less than .25-inch of ice.  Today was interesting, it got up to the upper 30s AND was very sunny.  Sounded like it was raining outside, only it was chunky rain with whaps and bams in it. </p>

<p>The roads are fine now , my driveway, deck and walk (the most treacherous part of this whole episode) have been salt-treated twice. (Saturday the 8th Margene and I were planning on going to see an IMAX movie and lunch at Union Station, I went out and found I couldn't stay standing while trying to de-ice the cars, our driveway, which is lumpy/bad concrete/gravel mix was Too Icy,)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 13, 2007 11:56 PM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #46 from James D. Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While you can eat your dogs if necessary, you can also build snares with the wiring from your snowmobile to catch rabbits and squirrels.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007  3:35 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #47 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This morning at the train station the TV news was showing us pictures of Keene. I was not envying them.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007  3:40 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #48 from Paula Lieberman</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Lieberman on 14.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rumor up Far North was that artic hares ate artic foxes as part of the diet (Arctic hares are ENORMOUS.  If you've ever seen a German White giant rabbit, that's getting towards the size of an arctic hare--the hares are BIGGER than the foxes are. </p>

<p>I saw a piece of cultural dissonance up in the artic--a snowmobile pulling a dogsled.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007  4:37 PM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #49 from Ledasmom</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure exactly how much snow we got here, but our five-year-old left school on a bus at 1:15 Thursday and got home at 8:35.<br />
The last five minutes from 8:30 to 8:35 were spent in walking up the street to our house, as the road was at that time doubtful for ordinary cars trying to drive up it.  The exception to this was the car belonging to the fellow across the street who apparently went for pizza, whose car was propelled over the steep bit by sheer stiff-neckedness and pineapple/ham lust.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007  7:30 PM by Ledasmom&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #50 from Scott Taylor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our next blast of Winter hits Saturday night - when we have a winter storm warning going into effect until Monday morning.</p>

<p>Yippee, he said dejectedly.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007  7:48 PM by Scott Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #51 from Hector Owen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 6 to 8 inches here in southern Rhode Island. To the tune of "Old Time Religion:" <br />
<em>Gimme that old global warming,<br />
Gimme that old global warming,<br />
Gimme that old global warming </em> [spoken] where is it?<em>,<br />
It's good enough for me!</em></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007  8:36 PM by Hector Owen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #52 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Hector...warm globally, wacky weather locally.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007 10:35 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #53 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 14.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming means more energy in the system means more extreme weather.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007 11:21 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #54 from Hector Owen</title>
         <description>comment from Hector Owen on 14.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Xopher, I'd just as soon warm locally, a nice fire in the fireplace, a down comforter, "warm sweetie to embrace" rhymes with fireplace, may be on to something here. Start of another song, perhaps? It's not like I hadn't <a href="http://hectorowen.blogspot.com/search/label/warming" rel="nofollow">thought about it</a> much.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2007 11:27 PM by Hector Owen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #55 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 15.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's supposed to sleet here tomorrow afternoon, which would be fine if I could walk on sleet or we didn't have bookgroup tomorrow.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2007 12:45 AM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #56 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 15.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the sleet started just as I got out of the van at home, so I got to go to bookgroup!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2007 11:25 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #57 from Joel Polowin</title>
         <description>comment from Joel Polowin on 16.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Ottawa, the snowfall started last night and has just started getting heavy.  The forecast is for a total accumulation of 20 to 30 cm, with local amounts of 40 to 50 cm, with strong gusty winds causing blowing snow, whiteout conditions, and drifts.</p>

<p>People are being advised to avoid unnecessary travel.  I'm currently scheduled to drive a couple of folks to the airport, right in the middle of the mess.  The flight is currently flagged as "on time" but we'll see if that continues.  I'll make sure I've got some emergency supplies in the car if I do end up going.</p>

<p>I guess we're making up for last year, when I was bicycling on almost-clear streets well into January.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007  9:47 AM by Joel Polowin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #58 from Jon Meltzer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second Boston snowstorm in four days appears to be winding down. So far the roads have not been cleared. </p>

<p>I imagine the governor and mayor are thankful that this one didn't happen on a work day. Just about the entire media went after them Friday ... and when you have two politicians who are not exactly popular at the moment, angry commuters are not going to give them much leeway. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007 10:17 AM by Jon Meltzer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #59 from Nancy Lebovitz</title>
         <description>comment from Nancy Lebovitz on 16.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 ::: Teresa Nielsen Hayden:</p>

<p><i>Ever notice that no one mentions spleens except to say they've been removed?</i></p>

<p>Does anyone else remember <a href="http://www.groups.google.com/group/alt.spleen/search?q=alt.spleen" rel="nofollow">alt.spleen</a>?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007 10:56 AM by Nancy Lebovitz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #60 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon@58: the between time was wonderful, though; I went skiing yesterday for the first time in 7 years, in conditions better than I found my last time in Colorado. Even better, somehow not many other people figured this out -- the lines were \short/ on a weekend day on an easily-reachable mountain (Wachusett). Now all I have to do is shovel crusted snow from ~120' of walk...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007 11:28 AM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #61 from xeger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been passing my time learning to read METARs, and using the traffic cams to check the weather -- definitely not looking forward to having to shovel later today - presuming I can get the door open!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007 12:04 PM by xeger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #62 from Clifton Royston</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a much lighter note, we've been having torrential rains and high winds again in Hawaii.  Lost power to our neighborhood the last two nights in a row; the first night large chunks of the city was out.  I'll take this over the snow though; had enough of that growing up in Michigan and then living in Chicago.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007  2:25 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #63 from Joel Polowin</title>
         <description>comment from Joel Polowin on 16.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa @ 18: I remember seeing posters at Minicons for "Amalgamated Spleen".<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007  3:02 PM by Joel Polowin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #64 from JESR</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulrika O'Brian, interesting concept there, bedrock in the PNW, but here in the Puget Sound area bedrock is an average of 1500 feet down from the top of the glacial sediments.</p>

<p>Even in areas where one is on bedrock, bad things can happen in flood conditions: if you know West Lynn, Oregon, it might be instructive to look into what happened to the rst of Lynn.</p>

<p>The worst damage in the Chehalis floods were people who lived "out in the hills" but, unfortunately, downhill and downstream from big clearcuts (Adna and the Boisfort Valley, for instance) and not so much on what is defined as the Chehalis flood plain- the section of freeway which was flooded is on the 10 year flood plain, and has often flooded before, but the brand-new certified organic dairy which lost hundreds of milk cows and the cheesemaker who lost his herd of milk sheep were in areas which rarely flood at all, and where the rapid rise and velocity of the flood was unlike anything in memory.</p>

<p>Smugly saying "don't build on flood-plains" "don't build in hurricane zones" "don't build in tornado alley" "don't build on earthquake faults" "don't build in the way of wildfires" is a way of ducking the uncomfortable truth that everyone lives in the way of natural hazards: they're different according to where you live, there are better and worse choices to make (personally, I'm pretty sure that the people building a new house next to a place where a landslide has knocked a house into the street and left the foundation full of giant boulders is a bad idea but hey, Laurel Canyon) but a place that is safe for a few hundred years can be knocked flat by lahars (Herculaeum) or tidal waves (locally, Ozette Village).</p>

<p>It is also true, especially in southwest Washington, that the high ground has its own problems- the Willapa and Black Hills are heavily eroded marine basalt, layers of black rock floating on iron-rich red clay, prone to regular massive landslides. And much of the high ground is still in timber production, unavailable to residential development for that reason alone.</p>

<p>(You will note I excluded "do not build on sandy beaches" from my list: this was intentional and meaningful. The ocean <i>always</i> wins). </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 16, 2007 10:20 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #65 from JESR</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004076111_weycologging16m.html" rel="nofollow">Mudslides on Stillman Creek,</a> Willapa Hills, Weyerhaeuser clearcut. Upper drainage of the south fork of the Chehalis.</p>

<p>The rainfall event which caused the flooding in this area dropped 20 inches in 24 hours.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 17, 2007  5:01 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #66 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 18.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Look at that blank slope.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 18, 2007 12:49 AM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #67 from P J Evans</title>
         <description>comment from P J Evans on 18.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relevant to some of Jim's earlier posts:<br />
<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-body18dec18,0,3895297.story?coll=la-home-local" rel="nofollow">Woman found in tow yard died soon after crash, officials say</a><br />
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The car, driven by Steven Williams, 48, also of Paso Robles, tore through the back of a stucco building and shattered wood supports and plaster. His mother was in the passenger seat. <em>Her body, apparently hidden by an inflated air bag, was not discovered until Sunday</em>, after relatives reported her missing.</p>

<p>"I'm confident that no one saw a body in there, but the question is why they didn't see it," said Deputy Chief Michel Moore, who is overseeing the Los Angeles Police Department's investigation of the incident.</p>

<p>The state Emergency Medical Services Authority has launched a separate probe to determine whether Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics properly evaluated the accident and provided appropriate care to Steven Williams.</p>

<p><em>"When questioned if anyone else was in the vehicle, the driver indicated there was no one else," Moore said. "He was conscious, he was breathing, and he was able to respond to questions."</em></p>

<p>A key question, however, is whether Williams understood what rescuers were asking. </p>

<p>Under Fire Department medical protocols, paramedics have to determine a patient's level of awareness and assess whether he may be impaired by trauma caused from accidents.</p>

<p>State investigators will focus, in part, on how the paramedics assessed Williams and whether they "failed to fully evaluate the scene," said Dr. Cesar Aristeiguieta, director of the EMS authority. </p>

<p>The agency regulates paramedics and can suspend or revoke their licenses for violating medical care standards.<br />
[snipped, emphasis mine]</p>

<p>The accident was Saturday morning. Apparently she died shortly - 'within a few minutes' - after the accident, but they haven't given a cause yet.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 18, 2007  1:07 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Weather outside: Frightful -- comment #68 from JESR</title>
         <description>comment from JESR on 18.Dec.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You'd think that DNR and the timber companies would have learned something from the slide in the nineties that wiped out seven miles of Washington 4 near Cathlamet, but this slide, and the one which stomped Clatskanie, Oregon, in the same storm (not to mention repeated block slides on 101 north of Hoodsport) were all on either new clearcuts or single-species reforestation projects less than ten years old, as was the earlier, well studied slide.</p>

<p>Highly reactive basement rock + active orogeny + high average rainfall = unstable slopes prone to catastrophic slides. It's a special case application of Smith's First Law of Civil Engineering: <i>Water always runs down hill.</i> </p>

<p>Of course without the high rainfall you end up with the situation John McPhee describes in <i>Control of Nature</i> when he talks about the fire/landslide cycle in the LA Basin.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 18, 2007  1:12 PM by JESR&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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