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      <description>Remember the long list of Why We Had To Start A War With Iraq? Pick a reason: It was because...</description>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #1 from Tania</title>
         <description>comment from Tania on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but he'll be <i>our</i> dictator.</p>

<p>For maybe a month.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  1:10 AM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #2 from Jon Evans</title>
         <description>comment from Jon Evans on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two years ago I went to Iraq for <i>Wired</i> magazine and wound up writing a lengthy <a href="http://rezendi.com/bbbb.htm" rel="nofollow">article</a> about two young Americans who went there to wire the country to the Net.</p>

<p>One of them - who worked in Iraq for years, as the only American in an Iraqi company, and still maintains strong ties to the place - in other words, who knows what he's talking about, said earlier this year, if memory serves, that as far as he's concerned, the best-case scenario is now that a brutal tyrant takes over the country and enforces security with an iron fist.</p>

<p>Again, that's his <i>best</i>-case scenario.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  1:25 AM by Jon Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #3 from maidstragedy</title>
         <description>comment from maidstragedy on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And sadly, I'm not even the tiniest bit surprised.    It's so good being Australian, I can be so proud of what we've helped to achieve here.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:20 AM by maidstragedy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #4 from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers) on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the latest schizophrenic babbling from the Bush about Prime Minister al-Maliki*, I think the Bushy Regime is getting tired of having to deal with Iraqi politicians they didn't pick, and want to wind the clock back a bit so they can stick in a better sockpuppet.</p>

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* "He sucks", "No, he's a good guy"; "He's not getting the job we need done", "He's the Iraqi peoples' Prime Minister, not ours".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:21 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #5 from Paula Helm Murray</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Helm Murray on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Tania said.</p>

<p>I despair.  And it doesn't help that there is a family in KC that lives on State Line in a place I have to pass that have put out a small flag for every death and a total count card at the end of the bank of flags (on both ends so it can be read both directions).  It's updated daily.</p>

<p>I cry when I pass it. This is such a wasteful, stupid war. My brother didn't die from Viet Nam, but he may as well have.  This war may leave much deeper scars.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:21 AM by Paula Helm Murray&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #6 from R. M. Kehrli</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, but look at the bright side.  At least they aren't communists!</p>

<p>...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:34 AM by R. M. Kehrli&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #7 from Jon H</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, it pretty much is going to be a requirement that the strongman be a Sunni, unfriendly to Iran. In which case we're back to square one.</p>

<p>Unless, of course, they just go back to plan A and install Ahmed Chalabi like they intended to from the start, despite his ties to Iran.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:52 AM by Jon H&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #8 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about chopping up Iraq for spare parts and giving the Kurds a real official homeland, and maybe bankrolling the repatriation of Turkish Kurds to a new Kurdistani republic so that Turkey has one fewer ethnic group it's tempted to cleanse like the Armenians?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:01 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #9 from David Bilek</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad Saddam Hussein has been executed already.  His résumé looks really good for the job.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:40 AM by David Bilek&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #10 from Keir</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #8: the same reasons the partition of India and Ireland were dumb ideas -- mass intermingling of populations, and so-on.</p>

<p>This is part of an ongoing series on why the workers of the world have no nation.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:59 AM by Keir&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #11 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sure they are trying to think outside the box as to how they can appoint an american to the job.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  4:33 AM by bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #12 from Eve</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Evans@2: Your link is broken.  I'd really like to read the article though.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  5:24 AM by Eve&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #13 from Zander</title>
         <description>comment from Zander on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone whose early views on American foreign policy were informed (as they say these days) by Tom Lehrer, that doesn't surprise me in the least.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  5:28 AM by Zander&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #14 from Gag Halfrunt</title>
         <description>comment from Gag Halfrunt on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eve@12: <a href="http://www.rezendi.com/travels/bbbb.html" rel="nofollow">Here's the article</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  5:53 AM by Gag Halfrunt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #15 from Eve</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gag@14: Thanks, that's great.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  6:12 AM by Eve&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #16 from John L</title>
         <description>comment from John L on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And meanwhile, with chaos and disorder the predominant examples of behavior in Iraq, over here in the US we have:</p>

<p>--Government sanctioned satellite surveillance of US citizens, in the US. (for your safety!)</p>

<p>--Increasing demands for "National ID" cards that you would be required to carry around with you at all times.  ("papers, papers please")</p>

<p>--Government publications on how to stifle free speech and expression at Presidential speeches and rallies, by using organized "rally squads" to confront, outyell, and block anyone not showing the proper amount of support.</p>

<p>Gee thanks, Bush Jr., you're getting your wish to be remembered in history.  It just won't be the way you wanted.  At least Grant will be able to step down from the "worst President ever" podium when you're done.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  6:52 AM by John L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #17 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction <i>and</i> because of the Ballistic Missels.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  6:53 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #18 from John Houghton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Serge 17:<br />
Ballistic <i>Missals</i>? They were going to launch <i>prayer books</i> at us? The Fiends! That justifies the war for sure!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  7:09 AM by John Houghton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #19 from Josh Jasper</title>
         <description>comment from Josh Jasper on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, it's really all about proving how those goddamn dirty hippies were wrong about Vietnam.  That's what Bush says.  And he should know.  If it weren't for those goddamn dirty hippies taking all of the cool jobs in Vietnam, he'd have been a real war hero.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  7:10 AM by Josh Jasper&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #20 from Earl Cooley III</title>
         <description>comment from Earl Cooley III on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Bilek #9: Well, one big downside about Saddam (other than the genocide and other similar public relations issues) was the fact that he didn't stay bought. That's just unacceptable behavior in a puppet head of state, you know.</p>

<p>Bryan #11: Say, after we conquer Iran, let's appoint Christiane Amanpour as the new Head of State. She would do a great job!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  7:23 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #21 from Eve</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not the Iraqis we should have been worrying about, but the Belgians.</p>

<p>They've got Ballistic Mussels.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  7:23 AM by Eve&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #22 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eve @ 21... First the French, next the Belgians! You just can't trust people who speak French and... What? Oh. Nevermind.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  7:44 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #23 from John L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here I thought the Belgians would have ballistic truffles...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  7:48 AM by John L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #24 from Earl Cooley III</title>
         <description>comment from Earl Cooley III on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we get into a war with Belgium, there will be the hideously difficult problem of decrypting front line  tactical transmissions from the Flemish Codetalkers, you know.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  8:08 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #25 from abi</title>
         <description>comment from abi on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Earl @24</strong>:<br />
<a href="http://xkcd.com/257/" rel="nofollow">Een.  Nul.  Nul. Een.  Een.  Nul...</a></p>

<p>(Yeah, yeah, <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009302.html#208216" rel="nofollow">xkcd probability = 1</a>, I know.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  8:19 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #26 from Nenya</title>
         <description>comment from Nenya on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Douglas Adams did tell us that "belgium" was one of the worse swearwords in the larger galaxy...now we see why!</p>

<p>(Not commenting on the actual post, because, goddammit, what a bloody horrible messy waste of 4.5 years.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  8:38 AM by Nenya&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #27 from &quot;Charles Dodgson&quot;</title>
         <description>comment from "Charles Dodgson" on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "beacon of democracy" line wasn't part of the <em>administration's own</em> prewar case for invading --- or at least, not part of their public argument.  But for what it's worth, it was flogged endlessly, before the invasion, by one very prominent fellow traveler of theirs, Tom Friedman.  (Here's an <a href="http://thelookingglass.blogspot.com/2003/01/so-why-exactly-are-we-going-to-war-on.html" rel="nofollow">old blog entry</a> which quotes the key bits from one such column --- which, by the way, dismisses the WMD-based official casus belli as nonsense, <em>before the invasion even happened</em>.  America's Most Important Columnist knew the invasion was being promoted by liars, and supported it anyway).</p>

<p>Then there's Bernard Lewis, who apparently was <a href="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0411.hirsh.html" rel="nofollow">influenced by a trip to Turkey</a> in his youth to believing that what the moribund Muslim world needed was secular strongmen like Ataturk.  Iraq already had one of those, but that didn't keep <em>him</em> from advocating invasion anyway...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  9:33 AM by &quot;Charles Dodgson&quot;&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #28 from Steve Buchheit</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Buchheit on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, will they be a "kinder, gentler" dictator, or a "compassionate" dictator. Say, I hear George Jr. maybe looking for a new job in a year and a half.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  9:50 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #29 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now, the mighty George is now saying that if the US pulls out of Iraq it will be a replay of Vietnam (with the North Iraqis conquering the South?), complete with boat people, reëducation camps, and other horrors (whether this includes punching a refugee attempting to get on the last helicopter out is left as an exercise for the student).  He also said that the wars in Korea and Vietnam were fought to introduce democracy. George, like Ronnie, seems to think that facts are stupid things.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  9:59 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #30 from Richard Crawford</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, another dictator would be the best option at at this point, it seems.  When we got rid of Hussein we got rid of the one guy who seemed to be able to keep all of the centuries-old ethnic and religious divisions to a tolerable level of hatred and strife.  It just baffles me that the Bush administration didn't take this into consideration when they were supposedly planning this fiasco -- but perhaps they were just too caught up in revenging the death threat against Bush, Sr.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:02 AM by Richard Crawford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John L #23: No, the Belgians would have ballistic <i>waffles</i>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:15 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must remember that The George is a follower of a particular school of philosophy that holds that reasons after the fact are more important than before.  They're called the Rationalizationists.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:26 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who ignore history are condemned to flunk it and repeat it next term.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:28 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #34 from Lori Coulson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I'm still sending my Republican Congresswoman and Senator a postcard with flag-draped coffins on it every time the toll goes up. Message: Defund the war, bring our troops home...ALL of them.</p>

<p>I'll be needing to order more postcards soon.</p>

<p>My Democratic Senator has been getting "thank-yous" from me by email and phone. He's voting the right way.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:35 AM by Lori Coulson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, anybody else having 70's and 80's flashbacks, where in the name of democracy we supported dictators, monarchs and oligarchies throught the Middle-East and Central America?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:37 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #36 from Richard Brandt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be a good while before <i>anybody</i> rules in Iraq.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:46 AM by Richard Brandt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16: I've read an argument that Grant's reputation suffered as a result of an active campaign to tarnish it, because he had pushed for anti-lynching laws and banning the KKK.</p>

<p>In any event, Bush already assumed <i>that</i> mantle long, long, long, long ago.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:48 AM by Richard Brandt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #38 from P J Evans</title>
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<p>Oh, those are <em>flashbacks?</em> I though it was the same d*mned nightmare since the cast had only minor changes ....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:49 AM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38 P J Evans, and they've updated the soundtrack, and people's hair looks better. But, yeah, same cast, different roles.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 11:10 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #40 from Faren Miller</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"One, two, three, what are we fighting for?"...</p>

<p>Shrub actually rattled off the line about boat people and reeducation camps with what might almost pass for eloquence (by his standards, anyway). I suppose it was a combo of heavy coaching and the relative relaxation of talking to a bunch of "patriotic" vets -- as opposed to the ones who saw first-hand just how deep that earlier quagmire was.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 11:17 AM by Faren Miller&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #41 from Lizzy L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony meter rang off the scale this morning, as NPR played the audio of Bush's speech to the veterans, where he used the Vietnam War to justify staying in Iraq. Evidently it's unimportant to him that 45,000 Americans and <i>millions</i> of Vietnamese were killed in that conflict, nor does it matter that we were supporting a dictator, and that, oh, yeah, that fight between the South and the North was <i> a civil war.</i> But Bush undoubtedly believes that -- oh, never mind how that sentence ends. The guy never met a fact he couldn't ignore. </p>

<p>I hate this shit. I just don't know how to stop it. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 11:38 AM by Lizzy L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #42 from Lizzy L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-buys-the-neocons-favorite-vietnam-myth/" rel="nofollow">Firedoglake</a>, the number of American killed in Vietnam was 58,000. Sorry. Bad memory, bad, bad. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 11:44 AM by Lizzy L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #43 from Lizzy L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Juan Cole: <i>"A rumor is circulating among well-connected and formerly high-level Iraqi bureaucrats in exile in places like Damascus that a military coup is being prepared for Iraq. I received the following from a reliable, knowledgeable contact. There is no certitude that this plan can or will be implemented. That it is being discussed at high levels seems highly likely."</i></p>

<p>Deja vu all over again.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 12:45 PM by Lizzy L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #44 from Stephen Frug</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I long thought that the perfect absurdist ending to this fuligin black comedy of a war would be to have the U.S. reinstall Saddam as the only man who could bring security to Iraq, provide a counterforce to Iran, etc etc -- all the reasons that we supported him for so long in the first place.  Given that God was clearly going for a pretty straightforward black comedy script here (influenced by Dr. Strangelove, perhaps, but frankly a little more absurdist, a little less realist), it seemed the perfect ending, particularly given the spectacle of the entire US commetariat turning on a dime and praising Saddam as the right man for the right moment, and proudly pointing where they could to their long-time support for him -- back in the 80's, when he was really tough!</p>

<p>And we got pretty close -- <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_digbysblog_archive.html#116467701693239104" rel="nofollow">Johnathan Chait, liberal hawk (sic), actually proposed this with tongue only slightly in cheek</a> some time ago.</p>

<p>Of course, in an earlier move, desperate for raitings, they killed off the character.  But no matter: we'll take a Saddam clone.  Dress him up in the same suit, and everyone will get the parallel.  (I'm thinking of how Woody Allen, the early, Bananas Woody Allen would do it here: suit the same, big false mustache the same... actor barely visible under all that garb.)  Won't have precisely the dramatic punch, but close enough not to matter.</p>

<p>And Christopher Hitchens and Don Rumsfeld can proudly proclaim that they were for a strong man in Iraq decades before the rest of us.  And hey: for once they'll be telling the truth.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 12:56 PM by Stephen Frug&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #45 from John Dallman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone remembers Bush Senior and Brent Sowcroft's article about reasons for not unseating Sadam in 1991? They reckoned, basically, that they'd have to replace him with someone similar, and saw it as pointless. </p>

<p>But reading your predecessor's thoughts and reasons seems to have been too much for this administration, throughout. It's amazing the way they think "democracy = govenrment that does what we want". They can't even manage that reliably in the USA, never mind Iraq, Palestine, etc. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 12:58 PM by John Dallman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #46 from Debra Doyle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>#16, #37:</b>  I've always had the impression that Grant was nowhere near as close to the bottom of the presidential rankings as, say, Franklin Pierce or Warren G. Harding . . . and these days, it looks like Bush II is closing in on James Buchanan's bottom-of-the-pack position.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  1:04 PM by Debra Doyle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #47 from Julie L.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember how just after the 2001 inauguration, the Bushies sent out those bizarre press releases claiming that the departing Clintonistas had sabotaged the White House laser printers with "porn bombs"?</p>

<p>It's all about the ballistic <i>nipples</i>.</p>

<p>(Imagine a gigantic nipple going *spung* into your face... forever.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:08 PM by Julie L.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #48 from candle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And Christopher Hitchens and Don Rumsfeld can proudly proclaim that they were for a strong man in Iraq decades before the rest of us. And hey: for once they'll be telling the truth.</i></p>

<p>To be fair to Christopher Hitchens - and no, I'm not sure why I'm bothering, because I doubt he would be fair to me - I have the firm impression that he at least has been consistently in favour of democracy in Iraq, even if it's democracy-by-force. If he has any of his old principles left, he should be as horrified by the prospect of a puppet dictator as any of us. But I wouldn't be too surprised to be proved wrong about this. Possibly he would justify it on the grounds that a dictator would at least be secular (like, er, Saddam Hussein was).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:32 PM by candle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #49 from Terry Karney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant?  Worst president in US history?</p>

<p>Not even close (IMO).  That goes to Buchanan.  After that there's a small line, in which Grant doesn't really stand.  He had poor friends, and came to office in a bad time, but he wasn't even venal, just not the right man for the job.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:35 PM by Terry Karney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #50 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie L #47: I'm now going to see that as the horror in Room 101...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:37 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #51 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie L @ 47... <i>It's all about the ballistic nipples.</i></p>

<p>We need to get to the bosom of this.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:49 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #52 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge #51: I see you're keeping abreast of the situation.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:56 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #53 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#51: I'm busy, but keep me abreast of your efforts.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  2:58 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #54 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, why couldn't ONE of those vets stand up and shout:</p>

<p><i>"You fucking draft-dodging ASSWIPE, haven't you learned <b>anything</b>?"</i></p>

<p>Hell, one prosthetic leg clattering onto the stage would have spoke volumes.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:01 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #55 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano & Stefan Jones... Yes, but the efforts to gather intelligence have been a bust.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:04 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #56 from TexAnne</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano, Stefan, Serge--I've heard of lowering the bra, but this is ridiculous. Corset has been making me laugh...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:09 PM by TexAnne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Serge @55</strong><br />
That's because they didn't use areole surveillance.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:11 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi... TexAnne... Tit's getting ridiculous. I'd breast drop the subject.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:24 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #59 from Stephen Frug</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48: Hitchens supported Saddam in 1976 -- <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/07/10/christopher-hitchens-1976-saddam-a-visionary/" rel="nofollow">see here for details</a>.  That's what I was referring to.  But given that he's been consistent for longer than most of the cometariat, perhaps he's not the best example.  He just rubs me the wrong way.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:32 PM by Stephen Frug&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Serge @58</strong><br />
I admit I was milking it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:34 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi... coughgagsplutter... It's going from bad to nurse.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  3:38 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #62 from mds</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan Jones @ 54:</p>

<p><em>Man, why couldn't ONE of those vets stand up and shout:</em></p>

<p><em>"You fucking draft-dodging ASSWIPE, haven't you learned anything?"</em></p>

<p>Well, it wasn't quite as dramatic as all that, but remember <a href="http://gvlshornbook.blogsome.com/2005/08/23/it-takes-a-canadian/" rel="nofollow">this</a>?</p>

<p>Gad, that photo brings back mammaries.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  4:24 PM by mds&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridiculous. Udderly ridiculous.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  4:36 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know we should teat this much more seriously, but if I do I think I'm going to s-cream.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  4:39 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi, Serge, TexAnne, Stefan Jones: We are clearly the cream of the crop. Perhaps we should take a page from H.L. Mencken and refer to ourselves as the booboisie.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  4:42 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #66 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are such a hoot.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  5:33 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano Ledgister, Abi, Serge, TexAnne, Stefan Jones. The lack of support is apalling. Instead of lifting us you've separated us. It'll all come to naught in 18-hours unless there's a wonder and eventually we'll have to throw it all over our shoulders like a continental soldier...</p>

<p>What? All the good jokes were taken.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  5:40 PM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all reminds me it's been a long time since I've listened to Wagner's <i>Ring of the Nipplelong</i>...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  5:46 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nipplelong. Isn't that a song by Jetro Tull?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  6:10 PM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #70 from MD²</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Those who ignore history are condemned to flunk it and repeat it next term.</i></p>

<p>Those who ignore history are condemning others to repeat it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  6:24 PM by MD²&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #71 from Dolloch</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi, Serge, TexAnne, Stefan Jones, Fragano Ledgister, and Julie L. for starting it.</p>

<p>*Applause*</p>

<p>*groan*</p>

<p>*bigger applause*</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  6:37 PM by Dolloch&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  6:40 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #73 from Doug Faunt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23 The real danger is the ballistic waffles, the Waffles Of Mass Destruction.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  8:18 PM by Doug Faunt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Buchheit #67: At least you have not descended to uddering falsies......</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007  8:36 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #75 from Julie L.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I raise my cups to all of you.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:24 PM by Julie L.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #76 from Josh Jasper</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as it's not suffering from any lack of dose.  I'd be intolerant of that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 10:36 PM by Josh Jasper&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #77 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 23.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Warner has severed his leash to Bush and proposed troops come home.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2007 11:59 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #78 from Lizzy L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilee, his proposal is that 5,000 of 160,000 come home by December. According to the LA Times, he says <i>he would leave it to the president, as commander in chief, in consultation with the military, to decide "if a deployment such as I recommend is feasible, and any subsequent redeployments after that."</i> He also says flatly that he will not support any Democratic proposals to actually Do Anything. This is not serious. This is Republican theater. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 12:13 AM by Lizzy L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #79 from vian</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you punsters are really hitting your straps!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 12:41 AM by vian&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #80 from albatross</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzy #78: </p>

<p>To be fair, the available alternatives all suck.  Pulling out may be the best option available to us, and is certainly at least one we can probably manage, but we're probably going to leave behind a multiyear, multiethnic bloodbath, and quite possibly get an Iraq that we will like much, much less than the old secular thugocracy under Saddam.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  1:10 AM by albatross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vian, of corset they are a clever group of punsters. It's a real teat to be able read their work, and occasionally express my own contributions.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  1:24 AM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #82 from vian</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've certainly found the whole exchange uplifting - one of those exchanges that really cleaves together.  Really makes you want to linger, eh?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  1:46 AM by vian&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #83 from Tania</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thank goodness none of the moderators have gotten  thor, ax* one is wont to become, prior to issuing a sternum warning.</p>

<p>*vian, your lingerie is much better than my thorax</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  1:57 AM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #84 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, am happy that in these horrible times (and I agree that the former Mr Elizabeth Taylor's proposal is nothing but Republican theatre) some of us can still produce a titter.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  7:11 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #85 from candle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(steadfastly ignoring the puns)</p>

<p>Stephen@59: Fair enough. The original article is remarkably mealy-mouthed, actually, but it's clearly an expression of support for Saddam. I shall clearly have to revise my idea that he has been a consistent supporter of democracyL it looks like the by-force part was always more important.</p>

<p>It's a shame, because I'm sure he used to say as many sensible things as he did ridiculous things. But now apparently he's picked the stupid ideas and decided that being consistent is a virtue even when he's wrong.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  7:33 AM by candle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #86 from Jo Walton</title>
         <description>comment from Jo Walton on 24.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Saddam really had had weapons of mass destruction capable of attacking Britain in 45 minutes, he could have handed them over to the UN inspectors and he'd still be in power. We invaded Iraq because he didn't have them.</p>

<p>Can you imagine the "Help Wanted" ad? Wanted: Tyrant. Niceness not a requirement. Must have good communication skills, be secular, and have strong ties to the communities. This is an equal opportunity position.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  7:51 AM by Jo Walton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #87 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo Walton @ 86... <i>Can you imagine the "Help Wanted" ad? Wanted: Tyrant.</i></p>

<p>That reminds me of a movie I caught the very end of, years ago. It was one of those things inspired by some martial-arts videogame. After the Bad Guy has been defeated, two of his henchmen, now unemployed, forlornly stand by a road carrying a sign that says "Will hench for food".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  9:21 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #88 from Seth Gordon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So "Nouri al-Maliki" is Arabic for "Ngo Dinh Diem"?</p>

<p>Steve @ 35: I'm fucking <em>nostagic</em> for the '70s and '80s.  At least those administrations felt enough shame to do their torture and brutality by foreign proxies, instead of ordering Americans to get blood on their hands.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  9:45 AM by Seth Gordon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth Gordon @ 88</p>

<p>Holy crap! The parallels really are uncanny.  A president installed by foreign machinations, who's a member of a sect not trusted by other parts of the  population during a time of great religious and ethnic division, brought down by internal forces at the behest of a US government which no longer believes he has their interests at heart - oh, wait, that hasn't happened to al-Maliki yet.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 10:37 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge #87: That would be <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106761/" rel="nofollow">Double Dragon</a>. The two henchmen were played by two of my favorite stunt men, Jeff Imada (Hewey) and Al Leong (Lewis). One quote from the movie: "Huey, Lewis, any news?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 10:58 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl Cooley @ 90... It almost makes me want to watch the whole movie. Should I succumb to temptation?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 11:04 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#86: Bush demanded that Saddam let the inspectors come back, so Saddam let the inspectors come back. He demanded Saddam destroy missiles, so Saddam destroyed missiles. Saddam kept ultimately bowing down to his demands; sooner or later Bush was going to have to come up with a demand that was impossible for Saddam to meet, and use it to justify going to war.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 11:33 AM by Richard Brandt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>sooner or later Bush was going to have to come up with a demand that was impossible for Saddam to meet, and use it to justify going to war.<br />
</i> I don't think he ever actually came up with such a demand. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 11:47 AM by Sandy B.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don't think he ever actually came up with such a demand.</i></p>

<p>I believe the final demand was to the effect of "Leave the country," then started bombing before the "or else" deadline.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 11:50 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #95 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge #91: Just so you know, I despised "My Dinner With Andre" and like martial arts movies, so my opinion is going to be skewed a bit from the norm. My priorities differ: for example, I think that Emmanuelle Seigner's fighting performance in "The Ninth Gate" was nicely understated. I'd say "Double Dragon" is at least worth a rental, but please don't hate me if you don't like it. heh.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  9:24 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #96 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzy L, #78, I found that out later.  :::sigh:::  I shouldn't trust what the local news says, even though it's in DC.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007  9:59 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #97 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl Cooley @ 95... I've never seen <i>My Dinner with Andre</i>. Oh, and <i>Big Trouble in Little China</i> is one of my favorite movies. I'll see if I can rent <i>Double Dragon</i>, but I'll have to wait for my wife not to be around. Her enjoyment of cinematic silliness isn't as acute as mine. Which is why I can't watch <i>At The Earth's Core</i> as often as I'd like.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2007 10:07 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earl Cooley @ 95</p>

<p>I'm confused ... are you saying that your low taste in movies is evidenced by your opinion of The Ninth Gate?  Because I really enjoyed that movie, and I have good taste. You can tell, because all the big food companies want to put me in a can.  Being a Linux kernel hacker these days, I guess that makes me Chicken of The C.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2007  3:24 AM by Bruce Cohen (SpeakerToManagers)&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #99 from ethan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Cohen: If the food companies succeed in putting you in a can, have no fear; we'll all be here to let you out.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2007  4:43 AM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #100 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I also liked The Ninth Gate for most of the reasons other people do, it's just that my priorities are a bit off sometimes. If I got around to blogging movie reviews, I imagine I'd be better at explaining myself with more practice. </p>

<p>I was essentially indulging in a bit of self-deprecation with my #95. heh.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2007  4:53 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #101 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54: because (a) people with that independent turn of mind don't join organizations like the American Legion, just like I haven't joined AARP, or (b) the entire audience was vetted (cf the 2004 elections).</p>

<p>#80: "Shrub -- when it absolutely, positively has to become Somalia!" (Especially given this week's news, which makes clear for anyone who'd completely missed it before that the majority can't even work out power sharing among themselves; the Mahdi Army and the Badr Brigade are close to an all-out war in the south.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2007  1:50 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #102 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHip, my dislike of AARP is not that it's a group, but that they lobby for whatever the management thinks is best, they never ask the members.</p>

<p>I'm not much for joining groups, though.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 25, 2007 10:11 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #103 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I don't like about the AARP was the huge freaking conflict of interests they had when lobbying for the hideous Medicare prescription coverage gap (the "Donut Hole From Hell") while they were in bed with an insurance company to shovel "exclusive health coverage benefits" at their membership. Bleargh.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2007  3:25 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #104 from Marilee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I never knew about the "benefits."  However, I am currently $56 from the donut hole, so I know <i>all</i> about that.  Every year, I hit it earlier.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2007  8:53 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #105 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilee, you have my sympathy. It looks like I may be able to stave off the Hole Bandit a bit longer this year by having switched to as many generics as possible.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 26, 2007  9:35 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>New!  Improved!  Iraq!  Now with Democracy! -- comment #106 from Marilee</title>
         <description>comment from Marilee on 28.Aug.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have as many generics as possible, too.  The problem is that Medicare keeps taking my meds off their formulary.  This year, it was oral iron (they cover IM iron), so instead of the co-pay, I'm paying for all of it.  It's a bit more than $400 a year and that moves me earlier.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 28, 2007  1:19 AM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing which recurs with annoying frequency is Big Pharma reformulating perfectly decent medications to scuttle the competition when they go generic, combined with cynically evil Pharma lobbyists gaming the formulary.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 28, 2007  5:29 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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<p>Things get kinda weird--and not necessarily in the right direction--when your prescription plan has BigPharmaName right on it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 28, 2007  2:09 PM by joann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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