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      <description> In the second post I ever put up on Making Light, Good search strings for bad writing, 08 June...</description>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #1 from cleek</title>
         <description>comment from cleek on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft's "Live Search" gives a <a href="http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=%E2%80%9CShe+loved+him.+She+really+loved+him.%E2%80%9D&mkt=en-us&FORM=IEFM&src=IE-SearchBox" rel="nofollow">few more hits</a> on that string.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  1:18 PM by cleek&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #2 from Ellen</title>
         <description>comment from Ellen on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, <a href="http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%E2%80%9CShe+loved+him.+She+really+loved+him.%22&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">a Yahoo search</a> on the string still turns up bad fiction!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  1:21 PM by Ellen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #3 from Kat</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's really awesome is that while I haven't read that particular Harry/Draco saga, it's been on my list for a while -- and I've read heaps of her other stuff.</p>

<p>Does typing "Love is Blind" and a random fandom still work for a badfic catch-all? Lemme check... First page of Google can still call up a Buffy, Star Trek, and Harry Potter story. Star Wars is a bit iffier, as is X-Files, and Batman looks like a no-go. Based on typing <em>"Love is Blind" anime</em>, though, it looks as if there might be a treasure trove there if I actually knew any Japanese fandoms.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  1:26 PM by Kat&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #4 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
         <description>comment from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently punched in <a href="http://beamjockey.livejournal.com/56698.html" rel="nofollow">"may sound like science fiction"</a> and got approximately 19,600 hits.</p>

<p>(I note with smugness that my blog entry on the subject is now Google's number 1 hit!)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  1:46 PM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #5 from Christopher B. Wright</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliches must not be allowed to die. I will get to work immediately.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  2:16 PM by Christopher B. Wright&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #6 from Lance Weber</title>
         <description>comment from Lance Weber on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to call for a <strong>throwdown</strong>: submit a paragraph that uses the phrase in an interesting, amusing, 'worthy' manner.</p>

<p>A (feeble) submission to get the ball rolling:</p>

<p><em>...sword in hand, his bright green eyes burning with quixotic zeal. Most matriarchs her age rarely met such a vibrant, powerful hero, so she lingered with him, enjoying his lean muscular frame. Even before she finished, she knew he was the best she'd ever had. She loved him. She really loved him. Especially those eyes. With a contented sigh she stretched out on her bed of gold and with a gentle burp, wrapped her tail around the eggs...</em><br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  2:21 PM by Lance Weber&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #7 from SKapusniak</title>
         <description>comment from SKapusniak on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I see no reason why gay writers should have denied themselves the use of this cliche in bad online fiction</i></p>

<p>Possibly the experience of confusing themselves multiple times in the first paragraph over which *particular* he or she it is they're referring to, when they've got two of the same sex involved as -- given this is badfic -- they'll be no other differentiating features, puts them off?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  2:27 PM by SKapusniak&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #8 from Christopher B. Wright</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She loved him. She really loved him. But they were from different worlds, and the toxins secreted through his pores (so deadly! Such ecstacy!) ensured that their love, though it was strong enough to span the stars, could never be covalent...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:01 PM by Christopher B. Wright&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #9 from Sarah S</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A propos of literary cliches, do you all already know about http://www.theyfightcrime.org ?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:06 PM by Sarah S&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #10 from Alter S. Reiss</title>
         <description>comment from Alter S. Reiss on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange.</p>

<p>Searching google for "he loved her.  He really loved her" gets eight hits.</p>

<p>Using the search "loved her.  He really loved her" gets almost 5,000 hits, most of which seem to be fiction, and most of which seem to contain the full phrase.</p>

<p>It may be that google is on to you.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:12 PM by Alter S. Reiss&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #11 from Alter S. Reiss</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, that was strange.  I'm now getting a first page of results saying 4,450 hits (it had been 4,750 before), but it's only showing 12 of them.</p>

<p>Am I the only one getting this?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:18 PM by Alter S. Reiss&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #12 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he loved him, he really loved him. And he loved him too. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:27 PM by bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #13 from Madeline F</title>
         <description>comment from Madeline F on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me, too, Alter S. Reiss!  3,010 results for "loved her.  He really loved her", only 12 shown!  </p>

<p>How terribly unfortunate!  And it reminds me that I have not been overly joyful at my Google results in general lately.  I vote we deputize John Scalzi to investigate during his <a href="http://www.tor-forge.com/Tour.aspx?Tour=255" rel="nofollow">appearance at Google</a> next Friday.  He can ask us all to type in incredibly outre search strings at 11:45 PDT, and then slip off as the Google employees gaze in puzzlement at their search feed marquee, the Mission: Impossible theme playing in the background...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:31 PM by Madeline F&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #14 from G. Jules</title>
         <description>comment from G. Jules on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #11: Nope. I'm getting something similar: for the "he loved her, he really loved her" variant, when I hit "Repeat the search with omitted results included" it tells me there are 5,000+ hits, but then goes back to 10 (or whatever) when I click through to the second page of results.</p>

<p>"He so loved her" gets some peoms and and badfic results, but "He totally loved her" pulls up television show discussion boards.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:38 PM by G. Jules&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #15 from Clifton Royston</title>
         <description>comment from Clifton Royston on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alter @ #11: I'm seeing the same thing too.  </p>

<p>First page = "Results 1 - 10 of about 51,200", second page = "Results 11 - 12 of 12".  This must be a side-effect of Google's recent changes to avoid link-spamming and Google-bombing.</p>

<p>What's really cool is that I looked at one of the dozen links it found, because it seemed so out of place amid the fanfic, and I wonder if it just might be one of the origins - the seed crystal, as it were - of the clich&eacute;!  </p>

<p>A 1900 translation of a George Sand story, <em>Indiana</em> contains the sentences: <a href="http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/sand/indiana/part-second.html" rel="nofollow">Raymon loved her, he really loved her.</a><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:40 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #16 from FranW</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think that gay/lesbian fiction is missing any bad cliches, but the potential for reader confusion by using the same pronoun for two characters means that in gay/lesfic, proper names are much more frequent. "Talyn loved her.  She really loved Wynter" would be the norm. (Lesbian fiction uses the letter Y the way fantasy uses the gratuitous apostrophe.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  3:45 PM by FranW&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #17 from Clifton Royston</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further thought for Teresa:</p>

<p>This clearly indicates a change in Google, not an improvement in quality of writing nor even a switch to a new clich&eacute;.</p>

<p>Even in the remote chance that zillions of bad writers on the 'net had shaped up and chosen en masse to abandon the clich&eacute; - which is appallingly unlikely - most of the samples already written would continue sitting around for decades to embarrass their authors.  If there is one thing we should have learned from the past Internet decade, it's that it's awfully hard to escape your past words.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:01 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #18 from Christopher B. Wright</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher B. Wright on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16: does that mean that lesbian fantasy fanfic would have names like Ta'lyn and W'in'tyr?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:12 PM by Christopher B. Wright&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #19 from Sarah S</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18<br />
T'Lyn and W'N'Tyr, surely.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:17 PM by Sarah S&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #20 from Charlie Stross</title>
         <description>comment from Charlie Stross on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“She loved him. She really loved him.” </em></p>

<p>Okay, I missed this the first time round, but that is <em>so</em> going in the current novel-in-progress!</p>

<p>(Along with  a gothic graveyard scene on Mars and a heroine whose nipples really <em>do</em> go "spung!")</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:18 PM by Charlie Stross&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #21 from Daniel Martin</title>
         <description>comment from Daniel Martin on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that you do get many more hits if you separate the two sentences, as in: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22she+loved+him%22+%22she+really+loved+him%22&amp;start=0&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8" rel="nofollow">"she loved him" "she really loved him"</a></p>

<p>This search result, by the way, includes one page that google warns <a href="http://www.google.com/interstitial?url=http://members.aol.com/velvtANGL1/Page131.html" rel="nofollow">may harm your computer</a>, and not just from the bad writing:<br />
<blockquote>She loved him. Dear Lord, she really loved him. She didn't have time to think. His kiss left them both breathless. He tasted her, let her taste him. ...<br />
members.aol.com/velvtANGL1/Page131.html - Similar pages - Note this</blockquote></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:23 PM by Daniel Martin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #22 from Skwid</title>
         <description>comment from Skwid on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reflexive backlash against the imposed vowels of the m<b>a</b>n/m<b>e</b>n hegemony, FranW?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:24 PM by Skwid&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #23 from Clifton Royston</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, you are an evil, evil man, and I've got to read that book!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:35 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #24 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
         <description>comment from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note for zombie aficionados:  the Google Ads I'm seeing for this comment page include one for </p>

<p><i><b>Dead Poets Come To Life</b><br />
Dead poets, authors, artists and composers come to life at<br />
www.luminarygraphics.com</i></p>

<p>(Turns out they're peddling umbrellas with pictures of Poe on them, and such.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  4:53 PM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #25 from jalan</title>
         <description>comment from jalan on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"He hated her. He really hated her." would be a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googlewhack" rel="nofollow">googlewhack</a>, except it has seven words. Is the whole net Harry Potter fanfiction now? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  5:50 PM by jalan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #26 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may sound like science fiction, but it loved her, it really loved her. He was in the way though. Not for long. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  5:58 PM by bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #27 from Clifton Royston</title>
         <description>comment from Clifton Royston on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think there would be a market for nipple piercing jewelry with built-in audio players, so that  anybody who so desired could have nipples which go "spung!"?  Perhaps the jewelry could ship with "spung!" pre-recorded, since there seems to be such demand for it.  </p>

<p>I tend to imagine the nipples as sullenly muttering, but as there is a long tradition of "perky breasts", perhaps they should instead say it in a cheerful and perky voice.  "Good morning! Spung!"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  6:06 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #28 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Higgins @ #23:<br />
<i>(Turns out they're peddling umbrellas with pictures of Poe on them, and such.)</i></p>

<p>Anti-zombie umbrellas, presumably.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  6:55 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #29 from James</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google's been acting up since at least March 29th, when I had a similar problem with the phrase "brittle strategies." The Goog couldn't seem to decide how many hits it had found; it first told me 27, then proceeded to show me 42.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  8:06 PM by James&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #30 from Sandy B.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me more about this "Spung!" sound. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  8:07 PM by Sandy B.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #31 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 16.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>'He loved her, he really loved her!' wailed his distraught mother as John was sentenced to death for murdering his beautiful wife Jennifer.</i></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  8:49 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #32 from Tania</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clifton - I am reminded of a joke I heard Penn Jillette do on his now defunct radio show/podcast. I am not going to think about RAH and "spung" noises.</p>

<p>Women complain about men never listening to women, men just stare at our breasts.</p>

<p>With this new breast jewelry MP3 player, men would not only be staring at women's breasts, but listening to them too.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  8:51 PM by Tania&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #33 from Joel Polowin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pixel-stained techno-peoms?</p>

<p>Sandy B. @ 29: If you're inquiring about why the word is being used, Heinlein used it several times to describe the behaviour of his female characters' nipples.  It seems inappropriately onomatopoeic -- to me, it evokes the sound effects of, say, a Warner Brothers cartoon.  (Not, I hasten to add, a cartoon where that sound was actually <i>used</i> for... oh, never mind.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 16, 2007  9:54 PM by Joel Polowin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #34 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Joel, you're saying that to Heinlein that was a Merrie Melodie?</p>

<p>(Ok, Ok.  Leaving now.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  2:10 AM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #35 from patch</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try "she sighed" - that's a fun one!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  2:44 AM by patch&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #36 from j h woodyatt</title>
         <description>comment from j h woodyatt on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"He loved her.  He really loved her."<br />
"Yes thanks for that enlightening update, Roger.  Now—"<br />
"He loved.  He really he loved really he loved he he he really her loved he really—"<br />
"Christ on an ether binge."<br />
"He really he loved really loved loved loved loved loved loved—"<br />
"Sally, send another ping to Grace.  Tell her the Roger bug has happened again.  We're dumping his core now, and she better haul ass down here if she wants a chance to take him apart while he's still running."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  3:10 AM by j h woodyatt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #37 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lesbian fiction uses the letter Y the way fantasy uses the gratuitous apostrophe</i></p>

<p>To compensate for all the participants being XX?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  5:11 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #38 from David Goldfarb</title>
         <description>comment from David Goldfarb on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just tried googling "She loved him.  She really loved him" and the #1 hit was...this thread.  Now that's GoogleJuice.</p>

<p>(It asked me if I didn't want "She loved him.  He really loved him."  Which seemed bizarre, and when I clicked the "Did you mean..." link, I got no hits.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  5:21 AM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #39 from Kevin Marks</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for google these days, though not on search. The number of hits for phrases are estimates, based on overall word frequencies (which is why Language Log et al treating them as meaningful statistics is a bit worrying).<br />
Nice to hear Scalzi is coming to visit though.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  6:22 AM by Kevin Marks&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #40 from Jo Walton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your "peom" thing is like the way you can often find cheap places to stay by searching on "accomodation" and the city name.</p>

<p>I wonder if "wierd" finds bad Lovecraft-fic?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  9:40 AM by Jo Walton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #41 from Matt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that doesn't work, try:<br />
"He looked like he had a squid in his mouth.  He really looked like he had a squid in his mouth."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  9:47 AM by Matt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #42 from Alan Braggins</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> I wonder if "wierd" finds bad Lovecraft-fic?</p>

<p>Too many hits. "wierd squamous" only has 1,370, but at least as many about cancer as Lovecraft.<br />
"wierd rugose" looks slightly more promising, but still not very well targeted.<br />
"wierd squamous rugose" does find a Making Light post as #2....<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  9:54 AM by Alan Braggins&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #43 from Heresiarch</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16 FranW: <i>"(Lesbian fiction uses the letter Y the way fantasy uses the gratuitous apostrophe.)"</i></p>

<p>How very counter-intuitive.</p>

<p>#28 Mary Dell: Cue argument over the relative utility of umbrellas as anti-zombie weapons (Jim Macdonald ably representing the chainsaw delegation), segueing to a discussion about the potential of trick umbrellas like the Penguin's (tangent into the possibilities of Batman vs. zombie fanfic, secondary tangent into possible Batman/Penguin slash, ending abruptly with a link to said slashfic), eventually devolving into one's possible reactions to encountering a zombie author (set them on fire or throw them a typewriter?).</p>

<p>That ought to be good for a couple hundred posts, eh?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  9:59 AM by Heresiarch&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #44 from Neil Willcox</title>
         <description>comment from Neil Willcox on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are a bit obvious to be new and interesting...</p>

<p><br />
She loved HIM.  She really loved HIM.  But His Imperial Majesty, The Emperor of Japan, could never marry a <i>gaijin</i>.</p>

<p>She loved "Him".  She really loved "Him".  The rest of Buffy season 7 seriously sucked but she could watch "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Him_%28Buffy_episode%29" rel="nofollow">Him</a>" all day. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007 10:25 AM by Neil Willcox&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #45 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She loved "She loved him. She really loved him". She really loved "She loved him. She really loved him". As a fiction editor, she was a connoisseur of bad prose, and this was as sure a route to the motherlode as a cable car leading directly to the summit of the European Union's 6,000-foot stockpile of Robert Howard novels.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007 11:45 AM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #46 from A.R.Yngve</title>
         <description>comment from A.R.Yngve on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a browser search for the hoariest of all movie-trailer clichés... and here's the result:</p>

<p><b>A) +"that will change their lives forever":</b><br />
29,300 hits<br />
Top result in search:<br />
The book "The Cayman Trench Caribbean Intrigue and Killer Diving Hold a Secret That Will Change Their Lives Forever" [sic]<br />
...from AuthorHouse. </p>

<p><b>B) +"that will change her life forever"</b><br />
4,860 hits<br />
Among the top 3 results:<br />
2 Fan Fictions.</p>

<p><b>C) +"that will change his life forever"</b><br />
10,800 hits</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007 12:41 PM by A.R.Yngve&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #47 from ajay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or "Who went looking for $OBJECT ... and found themselves." Commoner in voiceovers than taglines, so tricky to search for.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007 12:53 PM by ajay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #48 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovecraftian fanfic... Was it squamous, rugose, or merely verbose?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  1:05 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #49 from RedMolly</title>
         <description>comment from RedMolly on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The organ surged, sending deep shudders up her spine and down her quivering legs. A seeming choir of angels trilled in unison, and her lips moved along with theirs. "Praise God," she cried, "from whom all blessings flow!" </p>

<p>She loved hymns. She really loved hymns.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  2:55 PM by RedMolly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #50 from Paula Lieberman</title>
         <description>comment from Paula Lieberman on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now or shortly, of course, googling on that phrase, will bring up pointers to Making Light...</p>

<p><i>“She loved him. She really loved him.” </i></p>

<p>Welcome to Heisenberg's realm, where the act of measurement/mention changes the results.... </p>

<p>It's an iterative universe....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  3:40 PM by Paula Lieberman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #51 from Bruce Cohen, SpeakerToManagers</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce Cohen, SpeakerToManagers on 17.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"She loved him                                         preceded by itself in quote<br />
marks yields 'she loved him'", breathed Godel as he gazed self-referentially at his love.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  7:13 PM by Bruce Cohen, SpeakerToManagers&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #52 from Will A</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on <a href="http://www.overheardinnewyork.com/archives/005358.html" rel="nofollow">audible breasts.</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 17, 2007  8:17 PM by Will A&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #53 from Sandy B.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She loves him, yeah, yeah, yeah. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 20, 2007 10:55 AM by Sandy B.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #54 from Jeffrey Kramer</title>
         <description>comment from Jeffrey Kramer on 22.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 46 A.R. Yngve: With 30,900 hits, "learn the true meaning of" seems to edge out "will change their lives forever."  The ultimate Hallmark TV trailer would presumably include both, along with "heartwarming" and "uplifting."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 22, 2007 12:49 AM by Jeffrey Kramer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #55 from Heresiarch sees (Chinese) spam</title>
         <description>comment from Heresiarch sees (Chinese) spam on 24.Apr.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About, appropriately enough, tumours.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted April 24, 2007  7:33 AM by Heresiarch sees (Chinese) spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Near-death of a cliche? -- comment #56 from Gabrielle</title>
         <description>comment from Gabrielle on  7.Jan.09</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we all love a hot steamy love story?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted January  7, 2009  1:47 PM by Gabrielle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:47:58 -0500</pubDate>
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