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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #1 from Karl Kindred</title>
         <description>comment from Karl Kindred on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what is the specific purpose of the two coke bottles around the neck?</p>

<p>I get the rest of it, but...just for the added fatigue?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006 10:49 AM by Karl Kindred&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #2 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl:</p>

<p>7x50 binoculars. Or larger.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006 10:58 AM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #3 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make being in the Navy sound like funfunfun... Meanwhile, I just called the nearby Borders and they have four copies. Got to go get mine.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006 11:12 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #4 from fidelio</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You'd want to use old-fashioned glass bottles, for the proper effect.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006 11:15 AM by fidelio&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #5 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantasy treatments of the American Civil War exist, certainly, but I don't know that they do much to illuminate that conflict or the aftermath. I'm thinking in particular of Turtledove's 'War Between the Provinces' trilogy (and here I am sitting in Marthasville in Peachtree Province). </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006 11:19 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #6 from RichM</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is that what Bob Dylan was singing about with the jewels and binoculars hanging from the head of the mule: coke bottles?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006 12:59 PM by RichM&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #7 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That description makes me think of Alistair Maclean's <i>HMS Ulysses</i>, about a destroyer escort on convoy duty to Murmansk in WW2.</p>

<p>My Navy days were all shore duty (I was only on active duty for two years), thanks to some deity or personnel requirement specialist at BuPers.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  2:05 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #8 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father-in-law served in the Navy in the late Fifties, on the ship that years before had been the scene of Hiro Hito formally surrendering. It was a more pleasant experience for him, maybe because he was an officer. He especially enjoyed it when his ship stopped in a French port - beholding the Parisian danseuses was... er... an eye-opener. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  2:13 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #9 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can find lots of lists of <a href="http://www.rumration.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=848.html" rel="nofollow">what to do if you miss the Navy</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  2:56 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #10 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"In The Navy"<br />
(the Village People)</p>

<p>Where can you find pleasure <br />
Search the world for treasure <br />
Learn science technology <br />
Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true <br />
On the land or on the sea <br />
Where can you learn to fly <br />
Play in sports or skin dive <br />
Study oceanography <br />
Sign up for the big band <br />
Or sit in the grandstand <br />
When your team and others meet </p>

<p>In the navy <br />
Yes, you can sail the seven seas <br />
In the navy <br />
Yes, you can put your mind at ease <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on now, people, make a stand <br />
In the navy, in the navy <br />
Can't you see we need a hand <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on, protect the motherland <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on and join your fellow man <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on people, and make a stand <br />
In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy) </p>

<p>They want you, they want you <br />
They want you as a new recruit </p>

<p>If you like adventure <br />
Don't you wait to enter <br />
The recruiting office fast <br />
Don't you hesitate <br />
There is no need to wait <br />
They're signing up new seamen fast <br />
Maybe you are too young <br />
To join up today <br />
But don't you worry 'bout a thing <br />
For I'm sure there will be <br />
Always a good navy <br />
Protecting the land and sea </p>

<p>In the navy <br />
Yes, you can sail the seven seas <br />
In the navy <br />
Yes, you can put your mind at ease <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on now people, make a stand <br />
In the navy, in the navy <br />
Can't you see we need a hand <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on, protect the motherland <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on and join your fellow man <br />
In the navy <br />
Come on people, and make a stand <br />
In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy) </p>

<p>They want you, they want you <br />
They want you as a new recruit </p>

<p>Who me? </p>

<p>They want you, they want you <br />
They want you as a new recruit </p>

<p>But, but, but I'm afraid of water. <br />
Hey, hey look <br />
Man, I get seasick even watchin' it on TV! </p>

<p>They want you, they want you in the navy </p>

<p>Oh my goodness. <br />
What am I gonna do in a submarine? </p>

<p>They want you, they want you in the navy</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  3:00 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #11 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serge, Hirohito wasn't actually on the Missouri when the Japanese surrender took place, but a whole bunch of other famous folks were.  Here's the <a href="http://www.ussmissouri.com/" rel="nofollow">official site</a> of the ship as it currently is: a museum/memorial which sits opposite the Arizona Memorial within site of my back deck.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  3:06 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #12 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn memory again, Linkmeister. I distinctly remember that he had served on a ship where the Emperor had shown up. Obviously I was wrong about why he was there. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  3:09 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #13 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now have my copy of <i>Land of Mist and Snow</i>. That plus <i>The Atrocity Archives</i> and <i>River of Gods</i> means I won't be lacking for reading material during the Holidays.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  3:18 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #14 from Sarah S</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I'm blue, navy blue,<br />
I'm as blue as I can be<br />
'cause my steady boy said, "Ship ahoy"<br />
And joined the Nay-yay-veeee"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  3:22 PM by Sarah S&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #15 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y'all know what NAVY stands for?</p>

<p>Never Again Volunteer Yourself.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  3:54 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #16 from Bruce Arthurs</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linkmeister @ #7:<br />
<i>"That description makes me think of Alistair Maclean's HMS Ulysses, about a destroyer escort on convoy duty to Murmansk in WW2."</i></p>

<p>I had thoughts of the same book.</p>

<p>One of the most spectacular scenes in HMS ULYSSES was when one of the larger convoy ships was fatally struck and starting to roll over to one side before sinking.  In MacLean's book, a smaller ship turns and <b>comes along/against the side of the stricken ship</b>, allowing the first ship's seamen to make wild, desperate leaps onto the deck of the second.  It was such an incredibly dangerous, reckless, insane thing for the second ship to do that I found the scene almost unbelievable.</p>

<p>About a month ago I was reading Tristan Jones' HEART OF OAK, a WWII-memoir, and came across... a description of an almost identical event.  (Jones was one of the jumpers.)  MacLean based his scene on something that really happened.  It really happened.  Wow.  Wow.</p>

<p>-----</p>

<p>My own father served in the US Navy during WWII.  South Pacific duty, so his four-hour showers were warmer ones.  I wish I had tried to talk to him about his service before he died; he was almost totally silent on the subject.</p>

<p>I know that two of the ships he served on sank in combat, so he probably saw a number of his friends and companions die.</p>

<p>I know his major duty was running the water-distilling equipment on board ship.  My mother once pointed out to me that this almost certainly meant he also knew how to make moonshine.</p>

<p>I know one of the few souvenirs he kept of his service was a grainy snapshot of a stripper in a bar on a South Pacific island.  I've always wondered why he kept <i>that</i> photo for over thirty years, even though it must have annoyed my mother.  If there was a story to the photo, he never told it.</p>

<p>The only specific story I remember him telling was of the time he and some fellow sailors returned from a spot of shore leave driving an Army Jeep they had, umm, "requisitioned", then hooked up a winch and lifted the Jeep up onto the deck of their ship.  (Their captain made them put it back before they sailed.)</p>

<p>And those few fragments are all I know about those years in my father's life.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  4:07 PM by Bruce Arthurs&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #17 from Keir</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yvan eht nioj.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  4:08 PM by Keir&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #18 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Cruel Sea</i></p>

<p>There's also Montserrat's <i>"Three Corvettes</i>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  4:50 PM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #19 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, less seriously, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/comedy/progpages/navylark.shtml" rel="nofollow">The Navy Lark</a>. I don't know if the BBC let everyone get at the Listen Again service, but check Wednesday afternoons on BBC7.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  4:57 PM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #20 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
         <description>comment from Fragano Ledgister on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Bell #18:</p>

<p>That's <b>Monsarrat</b>. <i>Montserrat</i> is:</p>

<p>(a) a hill in Catalonia with an abbey on it; or</p>

<p>(b) an island in the Caribbean named by Columbus after said abbey; or</p>

<p>(c) the first name of a famous diva (and a fair number of Spanish women); or</p>

<p>(d) a ship of the Compañia Transátlantica Española on which, inter alia, V.S. Naipaul travelled.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  5:02 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #21 from Dave Luckett</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The books I recall as being about destroyer escorts in the north Atlantic, with the fatigue and privation being the main enemy, were the aforementioned "The Cruel Sea", but also one by C S Forester: "The Good Shepherd".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  5:20 PM by Dave Luckett&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #22 from MD²</title>
         <description>comment from MD² on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange syncrhonicity, I've just put a recording of <a href="http://www.amaranthpublishing.com/LlibreVermell.htm" rel="nofollow">this</a> in my CD player.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  7:16 PM by MD²&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #23 from Chris Gerrib</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim - I find that a regular brick works better then two coke bottles.  </p>

<p>Chris Gerrib<br />
LT, USN (got-the-hell-out!)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  7:26 PM by Chris Gerrib&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #24 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 14.Dec.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to have a good time on liberty:</p>

<p>1) Go up on deck.  Throw all your money over the side.</p>

<p>2) Go to your berthing space.  Bang your head on the bulkhead a few times.</p>

<p>3) Slam your dick in your locker door.</p>

<p>4) Put an old pair of socks in your mouth.</p>

<p>5) Hit your rack.</p>

<p>In the morning:  Your head hurts, your dick hurts, your money's gone, your mouth tastes like old socks, and you can't remember leaving the ship.  You <i>must</i> have had a good time.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  7:34 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #25 from j h woodyatt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bruce Arthurs</b> wrote: <i>"I know his major duty was running the water-distilling equipment on board ship. My mother once pointed out to me that this almost certainly meant he also knew how to make moonshine."</i></p>

<p>I think your mother may have been blaming the Navy for somebody else's contribution to his education.</p>

<p>Having some experience with WW2-era marine fresh-water distillation plants myself, as well as some experience making ethyl alcohol for drinking purposes, I can assure you that a reasonable person could spend several years making fresh water out of sea water on a daily basis and still not know enough about fractional distillation of ethanol to keep from poisoning themselves when they drink the condensate.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  7:58 PM by j h woodyatt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad always gives one of two reasons for going into the Navy, depending on his audience:  1) he would have been drafted into the army, and b) they were having me and it would be cheaper in the Navy.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  8:31 PM by Marilee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j. h. woodyatt: tell us more? 28 years ago I worked with a small land-based unit (Barnstead, 3 gal/hr), which was supposed to get rid of both minerals and organics in tap water; it was tuned by reducing the coolant flow in the condenser until the condensate was \almost/ boiling and there was steady steam coming out of the vent, which I'd expect to blow off any methanol (reportedly the most common contaminant in ethanol). I also wonder what ethanol sources would have produced toxics; I used to homebrew (all extract) and don't recall any warnings about byproducts....<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 14, 2006  9:57 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the distiller unit I remember working on was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Stage_Flash" rel="nofollow">three-stage flash evaporator</a>.  Sea water pumped into the first stage would evaporate at about 180 F or so, and at 165 F in the second stage, and at around 140 F in the third stage.  Brine and fresh water would come out the other end in a continuous flow.  The heat source was waste steam.</p>

<p>Every moonshine operation I've ever seen was a simple batch fractional distillation system, and the traditional way to poison yourself in that procedure is to forget that the first few milliliters of condensate are usually loaded with methanol and other things that make for unpleasant flavor and nose.  Another good way is to forget that ethanol is a very versatile solvent, and you probably don't want to drink the first pass through a still made from the radiator coil of a 1971 Chevy Impala.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006  1:00 AM by j h woodyatt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>talking about Jim, i don't remember being told about <a href="http://feeds.gigavox.com/~r/gigavox/channel/itconversations/~3/61525397/detail1666.html" rel="nofollow">this interview at IT Conversations</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006  9:29 AM by Giacomo&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j h woodyatt... <i>you probably don't want to drink the first pass through a still made from the radiator coil of a 1971 Chevy Impala</i></p>

<p>Human ingenuity never ceases to amaze me, especially when booze is involved. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006  9:42 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #31 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiCHCKNRFT;ttCHCKNRFT.html" rel="nofollow">Chicken on a Raft</a></p>

<p><a href="http://sniff.numachi.com/pages/tiGREYFUNL;ttGREYFUNL.html" rel="nofollow">Grey Funnel Line</a></p>

<p>Also, <a href="http://www.navysong.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Royal Navy Songs</a></p>

<p>And finally, <a href="http://digg.com/music/British_Royal_Navy_Does_Bohemian_Rhapsody" rel="nofollow">The Royal Navy performs Bohemian Rhapsody</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006 12:00 PM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #32 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to ask something of those who post here and who have served in the military. </p>

<p>What kind of person makes a better commanding officer?</p>

<p>Notice that I'm not asking which kind of CO you'd prefer serving under. Let's say you have two officers who have been given the same orders, the results of which will mean severe casualties for those serving under them. One of those officers is motivated mainly by looking good to his/her own superiors. The other officer hates sending those under into a messy situation, but still does it.</p>

<p>Again, what kind of person makes a better commanding officer? Who is likely to have the better fighting force?</p>

<p>It should be irrelevant what motivates one's officer, but we're not machines.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006  4:05 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither, I'd say.  (And who can know another's heart in any case?)</p>

<p>The better CO would be someone who's predictable and consistent.  One with whom you know where you stand, who is fair, and fair-minded, who considers the options before making a decision, but doesn't hesitate to make a decision when it's needed -- not half-an-hour late.</p>

<p>Always assuming basic competence and intelligence.</p>

<p>The best COs are very smart and very competent indeed.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006  5:12 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response, James. I'd guess that a CO mostly concerned with looking good to those above wouldn't fall in the category of 'fair'. I'm only basing that on my 'life' in the corporate world, as I never served.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006  5:34 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j. h. woodyatt: It doesn't sound like the experience would carry over. OTOH I can see why moonshiners have problems -- sounds like there's a practical reason single-malt distillers leave the foreshots (aka "feints") out of the final cut.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 15, 2006  8:45 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also about pills</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted March 26, 2007 10:09 AM by Carrie S. sees more spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>

<p>[Posted from 91.104.135.236]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  3:22 PM by .&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #38 from Xopher sees moronic semiliterate drive-by</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wotta maroon.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  3:27 PM by Xopher sees moronic semiliterate drive-by&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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Is all very well.<br />
This is confirmation<br />
That trolls just can't spell.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  3:28 PM by abi considers human folly&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drat you, you gay basterd*.</p>

<p>-----<br />
* Better At Spotting Trollish Effusions Requiring Deletion</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  3:30 PM by abi is beaten to the punch by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno, I think it's kinda cute. Like, (s)he calls us all gay basterds, but with a smiley face. And then the second half kind of seems like the way you might tell a dog she's a good girl, yes she is, which is a little amusing.</p>

<p>On top of it all, this person who is calling us all gay basterds, is using the username "i am gay." I think it's a message of cheery solidarity.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  4:51 PM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if saying "You're a gay bastard, yes you are, yes you are" is similar to throwing one's arms in the air and declaiming "YOU'RE A KITTY!"</p>

<p>I must say, the temptation didn't present itself when I met Xopher. Maybe if I saw Xopher and ethan at the same time?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  5:13 PM by TexAnne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>throwing one's arms in the air and declaiming "YOU'RE A KITTY!"</i></p>

<p>I share my house with a cat who has taken serious exception to that.  To the point of biting the declaimer.</p>

<p>Of course, it takes a strange mindset to call a fully-grown male Maine Coon "kitty".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  5:51 PM by Jules&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TexAnne 42: While it would delight me to meet ethan, and it would be fun to hang out with you at the same time, I have to admit I would be nonplussed if, on that occasion, you threw up your arms and exclaimed "YOU'RE A KITTY!"</p>

<p>I can't speak for ethan on this, but I suspect his reaction might be similar.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  6:04 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules (43):<br />
<i>Of course, it takes a strange mindset to call a fully-grown male Maine Coon "kitty".</i><br />
Nah, it just takes a big, strong, basso profundo voice. Then it works.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  6:14 PM by John Houghton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u are all gay basterds :)<br />
u are<br />
yes u are :)</p>

<p>confidence can I have it ?<br />
LOL<br />
you am all in my eyes<br />
eating away<br />
my peace</p>

<p>u are all gay basterds :)<br />
u are<br />
yes u are :)</p>

<p>peace can I have it ?<br />
LOL<br />
you am all in my mind<br />
eatin away<br />
my self</p>

<p>u are all gay basterds :)<br />
u are<br />
yes u are :)</p>

<p>self can I have it ?<br />
LOL<br />
you am over my words<br />
eating away<br />
all sense </p>

<p>u are all gay basterds :)<br />
u are<br />
yes u are :)</p>

<p>confidence can I make it ?<br />
I are with no mind<br />
I are with no peace<br />
My self<br />
eaten away</p>

<p>I are all gay basterd :)<br />
u am<br />
yes u am :)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  6:27 PM by MD²&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules (#43):<i>Of course, it takes a strange mindset to call a fully-grown male Maine Coon "kitty".</i></p>

<p>Nah, all it takes is pride.<br />
Just ask Nanny Ogg. Or Professor Xavier.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  6:49 PM by MD²&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD&sup2; 47: When people make jokes like that, I could just put them right through the wall.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  7:05 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some days I'm gayer than others. Right now, I'm hoping this hot chocolate will cheer me up.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  7:08 PM by Vicki&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me that it's been a long time since Turner Classic Movies treated us to Fred & Ginger in <i>The Gay Divorcee</i>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007  7:24 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#45: OK, that immediately flashed me back to one of my favorite childhood jokes:</p>

<p>What does a 500-pound canary say?</p>

<p>[boomy bass voice]<br />
Here, kitty, kitty, kitty!<br />
[/boomy bass voice]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 15, 2007 11:56 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xopher #44: I'd only be OK with that if TexAnne were a magician, and a good enough one to turn us back into gay basterds after making us kitties.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 16, 2007  3:24 AM by ethan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Xopher @44</strong>:<br />
<em>I have to admit I would be nonplussed if, on that occasion, you threw up your arms and exclaimed "YOU'RE A KITTY!"</em></p>

<p>Note to self: if I ever meet Xopher or ethan, I now have the appropriate greeting.</p>

<p><strong>MD² @46</strong>:<br />
Well done.  I like it.</p>]]>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #54 from Faren Miller</title>
         <description>comment from Faren Miller on 16.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>...threw up your arms...</i> Doesn't that belong on the trauma thread (involving, as it does, both vomit and things with bones)?</p>

<p>Lately we've been discussing weights in terms of our cat, Emperor Horton: 2 Hortons = 40 pounds, and so forth. But he'll *look* much heftier when he loses the last few mats we can't get out of his fur (without bodily injury to ourselves) and grows back his gorgeous winter coat.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 16, 2007 12:27 PM by Faren Miller&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #55 from Serge</title>
         <description>comment from Serge on 16.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MD&sup2;... <i>Nah, all it takes is pride. Just ask Nanny Ogg. Or Professor Xavier.</i></p>

<p>And what is the family name of Xavier's student Kitty?<br />
Pryde.<br />
I tell you, that gay agenda is <i>everywhere</i>!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 16, 2007  1:14 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #56 from Xopher</title>
         <description>comment from Xopher on 16.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faren 54: I've often said, when speaking of an intractable problem, "I'd throw up my hands, but that's painful, because the thumbs get stuck in my throat."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 16, 2007  1:58 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Guest-blogging stint -- comment #57 from MD²</title>
         <description>comment from MD² on 17.Sep.07</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Xopher (#48): thankfully if you would, my Garou² blood would show. One can hope.</p>

<p>(Anyone that gets this one, I owe you a cup of coffee with some home made apple pie...)</p>

<p>@Serge (#55): I wish ! Just try to go to your nearest stationery trade and ask for a gay diary, and see if they can sell you one (bilingual bad jokes ftw! ... hum).</p>

<p>@abi (#53): thanks a lot. Had this one stuck in a dark corner of my brain for some time now, due to some of your comments in the LOLCatz thread, but I couldn't find the right context to try to pull it off. Glad you like it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2007 12:55 PM by MD²&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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