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      <description>&quot;Is anyone else bothered that the current conflict in Iraq seems to be somehow nameless?&quot; said FungiFromYuggoth. &quot;It's not Gulf...</description>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #1 from Eve</title>
         <description>comment from Eve on 16.Nov.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I've called it That Stupid War In Iraq since before it began.  Short, sweet, to the point.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  8:29 PM by Eve&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #2 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I just said in the thread from which this came: </p>

<p>The Neocon War.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  8:54 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #3 from Martin Wisse</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's the War on Iraq. Because that's what the US is doing, slowly and deliberately destroying the country.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  8:54 PM by Martin Wisse&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #4 from Lizzy L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's Bush's War.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  9:09 PM by Lizzy L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #5 from Greg London</title>
         <description>comment from Greg London on 16.Nov.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can't just do "NeoCon War" because then you'll just have to start numbering them at some point.</p>

<p>Neocon War 1.<br />
The Second NeoCon War.<br />
etc.</p>

<p>How about:<br />
The Neocon War to end all Neocon wars.</p>

<p>Ooh. I like that one.<br />
Then it's like an homage to WW1 being<br />
called the war to end all wars,<br />
and this is the first neocon war, so....</p>

<p>I still have a preference to<br />
The War of Mad King George</p>

<p>I know it's a bit of a mouthful, <br />
but a crazy bstrd is a crzy bstrd.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  9:22 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #6 from Rasselas</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The War from Cheney's Prostate.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  9:27 PM by Rasselas&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #7 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah! Someone just mentioned the name on open thread, and it's perfect for this thread.</p>

<p>The Munchausen War</p>

<p>With all the tall tales about WMD's, aluminum tubes for centrifuges, yellow cake from Niger, and the like, Munchausen does a good job of capturing the level of hogwash that's been thrown around to justify this war.</p>

<p>Or, of course, <br />
The War of Mad King George</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  9:28 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #8 from JC</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We're probably going to end up with something prosaic like the Iraq War. However, I hope for something like W's Biggest Mistake.<br />
Actually, I like W's Biggest Folly more, but that may make light of a serious matter.</p>

<p>The reason, of course, why the current conflict seems nameless is because the Bush Administration keeps confusing it with the Global War on Terror. Or is it the Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism? Or perhaps it is, believe it or not, the Long War?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2006/04/28/03" rel="nofollow">In Short: The Long War</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  9:39 PM by JC&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #9 from Steve Taylor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to hear it called 'Gulf War 2' a fair bit, but it seems to have graduated to just being 'the war' for the moment - a fairly ominous sign.</p>

<p>I've always been annoyed by "Gulf War 2" anyway - doesn't a decade of Iran and Iraq trying to kill each other count? It was certainly called "The Gulf War" at the time.</p>

<p>Or are we counting from zero?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006  9:51 PM by Steve Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #10 from Christopher B. Wright</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The War of the Poseurs?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 10:00 PM by Christopher B. Wright&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #11 from Jon Sobel</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ain't never been to Baghdad<br />
Ain't never seen Fallujah<br />
Never voted for<br />
A preemptive war<br />
'Cause I got Al Qaeda scars right here</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 10:09 PM by Jon Sobel&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #12 from DILBERT DOGBERT</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The codpiece war is a good one.  The "jet fighter" that bush was in was a COD, Carrier Onboard Delivery aircraft.  In otherwords an arial pickup truck.  It also could be configured for anti sub duty protecting the carrier.<br />
Mission Acomplished War</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 10:22 PM by DILBERT DOGBERT&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #13 from Michael</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diversionary War I<br />
The Electoral College War of 2004<br />
The Rovelutionary War</p>

<p>--That's all I've got tonight folks!  I'll be here all week.  Tip your waitstaff and bartenders generously!  Try the Veal!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 10:47 PM by Michael&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #14 from Jacob Shelton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the First Evangelical Crusade?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 11:03 PM by Jacob Shelton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #15 from rm</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Piece of Cod? </p>

<p>As in "the piece of cod which passeth understanding"?</p>

<p>How about the War of American Self-Destruction? The Great Distraction?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 11:20 PM by rm&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #16 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Look What the Stupid F**ktards Got Us Into Conflict.</p>

<p>The Showin' Up Daddy Action.</p>

<p>Dubya's Folly.</p>

<p>The Halliburton Enrichment Act.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 11:24 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #17 from Julie L.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrt #15: this war does resemble lutefisk in some ways. The preliminary ly(e)ing comes to mind; also, Wikipedia helpfully notes, "Lutefisk left overnight becomes nearly impossible to remove."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 11:36 PM by Julie L.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #18 from Julie L.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum-- somehow I managed to miss the quote from Jeffrey Steingarten further down in the Wikipedia article: "Lutefisk is not food, it is a weapon of mass destruction."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 11:39 PM by Julie L.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #19 from law</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shrub's Flub.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 16, 2006 11:43 PM by law&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #20 from Bill Humphries</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm with Steve @ 9, it's Gulf War III, unfortunately as tragedy instead of farce.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:20 AM by Bill Humphries&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #21 from Evan Simpson</title>
         <description>comment from Evan Simpson on 17.Nov.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it isn't a war at all.  When King George declared "Mission Accomplished", the brief war ended, and the Occupation of Iraq began.  Ever since then, the Occupation has just been getting more violent and chaotic.  Further, I note that it is incoherent to talk about "winning" an occupation.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:38 AM by Evan Simpson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #22 from Dave Bell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The B Liars' War.</p>

<p>Bush, Blair, Berlusconi...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:56 AM by Dave Bell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #23 from Jacob Shelton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Evan, that is quite the most damning insult I've  ever seen leveled at monarchs...which is pretty impressive. Congratulations.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:01 AM by Jacob Shelton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephan @16<br />
<i>The Showin' Up Daddy Action.</i></p>

<p>See? 'The Codpiece War', uh, covers that too. As it were.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:38 AM by protected static&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D'oh! 'Stefan'</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:38 AM by protected static&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #26 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just don't call me late for dinner . . .</p>

<p>(Actually, I'm a stickler for the correct spelling at work, because there's a Stephen in the company, and if we end up with each other's mail or phone calls it can be messy, since he is in Germany and deals with customers.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:51 AM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #27 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in a fraternity house in Tucson there were three different guys named "Steve," which made for interesting visual effects when a phone call came in for one of us.  Three different doors would pop open and three different heads would emerge around door jambs.</p>

<p>Stefan, it's nice to know somebody else spells "Stephen" the way I (or my parents) spell it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:57 AM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #28 from Lee</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for "Bush's War" just because I want to make DAMN GOOD AND SURE that it doesn't get spun to be Clinton's fault 10 years down the road. They've already fired the first salvo in that campaign. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  2:43 AM by Lee&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #29 from TomB</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when do we get the Cod Peace? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  2:46 AM by TomB&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #30 from Bruce E. Durocher II</title>
         <description>comment from Bruce E. Durocher II on 17.Nov.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not in favor of Bush's War, if for no other reasons than it's not personal enough.  Now, Lyndon's War, that's <i>personal</i>.</p>

<p>Anybody else think that the President is going to keep blowing this off until someone comes up with the equivalent of the "Hey, Hey, LBJ" chant to get under his skin?  Yep, I thought so...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:23 AM by Bruce E. Durocher II&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #31 from bad Jim</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the official name is the "Global War on Terror", or GWOT, including both the Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns, and that veterans who have served in both theaters have complained that they ought to get ribbons for each. (For some reason, "The War Against Terror" and the "Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism" didn't make it.)</p>

<p>We could call it "World War W", "World War dubious" or the "War to Reelect the President", or WREEP, as in, "as ye sow, so shall ye WREEP".</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:08 AM by bad Jim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #32 from Martyn Taylor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War?  What war?  Did somnebody say there was a war going on?</p>

<p>Oh, Iraq.  That's just a police action, helping some friends get back in business after an enforced hiatus, a police action, that's all.  Its not a war, no sirree, not a real war.  After all, if it was a real war America would be winning.</p>

<p>They may be Mr Bush's friends, but they're certainly not ours.</p>

<p>How about 'The let's kill a few of ours and a lot of theirs to make sure we stay rich war'.  It might not be snappy but it is descriptive.</p>

<p>How about 'The riverside war'.  Think about it.  Think about studying.</p>

<p>'The which war?'</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:19 AM by Martyn Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #33 from Earl Cooley III</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only Halliburton has the right to name that war. It's in the fine print in their no-bid contract. Dick Cheney will choose whatever name he wants when he writes about it in his memoirs after he retires from public service.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:26 AM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #34 from Paul Duncanson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher B. Wright said at #10<br />
<i>The War of the Poseurs</i></p>

<p>I have been thinking of this one and the so-called Gulf War and the bit in Afghanistan collecitvely as "The Wars of the Bushes."  Adopting that name or Mr Wright's would probably require someone to rewrite the Bard.</p>]]>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #35 from Bruce Baugh</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me it seems pretty obvious that it'll end up being "the American occupation of Iraq", coming after "the multi-phase American-Iraq War of 1991-2003". There never was real peace in that time, what with mass murder via sanctions, the constant occupation of Kurdish territory, and all. It's just that different mixes of force were at work in different years. Then the war ended with Hussein's overthrow, and since then it's been occupation, precisely as in the Philippines a century ago.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  6:02 AM by Bruce Baugh&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said in the thread where this first came up, and considering who is nominally in charge of the war, and hoping that George Lucas doesn't sue for copyright infringement...</p>

<p>The Clown War.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  6:13 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #37 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul: How about just the Bush Wars?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  6:39 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the uprising of a colonial state.  Call it the Iraq War Of Independence.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  7:21 AM by Josh Jasper&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #39 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something I firmly believe - and tried to express in that sonnet - is that there's a certain futility in trying to name the war yet.  We can suggest, but we'll probably be way out.</p>

<p>Whatever the people in charge try to call this war, it probably won't stick, or won't stick in the ways they want it to.  Likewise, the stated reasons for going to war will be long forgotten, and many of the real reasons with them.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins'_Ear" rel="nofollow">Who was Jenkins, and did he really want to be remembered purely for his ear?</a></p>

<p>Posterity has a way of <em>getting things wrong</em>, which makes the sort of reputation-watching Bush has been trying to do ultimately futile.  (Ironically, when posterity gets it right, it's usually even worse.)  I think Jimmy Carter is doing a better job of looking to his future reputation than any other President in history.</p>

<p>I always remember a passage from <em>Don't Know Much About History</em>:</p>

<p>Pop quiz: Who fought the French and Indian War?<br />
Wrong.</p>

<p>This is not to say that the truth will not come out, and be known, but it won't be what percolates into popular culture.</p>

<p>(Can I just say how cool it is to see my sonnet on the front page of ML?  Cool, but sad, because I can't fill the gap we all perceive.)</p>]]>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #40 from Bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't like the name codpiece war because it is just too open to punning. Right off the bat I am tempted to announce "May the Piece of Cod be upon you!" and that can't be good.</p>

<p>However I think The CodePeace War sounds like a marvelous Sci-Fi title.</p>

<p>starts as:</p>

<p>Tuttle, an accountant on an old and not very important planet named Earth is bored at his job, he daydreams all the time about being Flex SpaceCod, the silver-suited Avenger of Ganymede but the most adventurous parts of his day seems to be getting the new code files in his in-message beam and sending out the old code files in his out-message beam. </p>

<p>One morning he is late for work, his message beam however is not at all colorated as he had supposed, but has only one single white spot. One code in. But it is a code like none he has ever seen before, at first it looks like it has bits of corrupted Haliburton virii in the polygleams but that soon proves incorrect or at least incomplete, there are definite traces of Haliburton but with their eigen-indexii scrambled. </p>

<p>Sensing that there is something funny Tuttle takes an early morning break and heads down to the local diner, taking the code with him in a small beaker of insoluble codewarp. He needs to talk to Jenny the greasy-spoon cook. Jenny always has sharp advice.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  7:36 AM by Bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #41 from Steve Buchheit</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, speaking as another Stephen (the actual spelling of my name) each side gets to name the War the way it wants. Many wars have different names depending on whose telling the story. Although I've been calling it Gulf II, upthread somebody said Gulf III and that maybe more correct, but it needs to be said this way:</p>

<p>(big anouncer voice) Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Coming to the Sandbox it's Gulf War 3! Let's get ready to ruummbblle!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  7:43 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #42 from Sarah S</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hundred Years War.</p>

<p>But then, I fell down the stairs again today, so I'm feeling bleak.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  8:25 AM by Sarah S&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #43 from jim</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 03-09 War (on the model of the 14-18 War), if we're lucky.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  8:36 AM by jim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #44 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hundred Year Haliburton Hell?</p>

<p>Crony Conflict?</p>

<p>Greeted as Liberator Lie?</p>

<p>Can't We All Just Get Along?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:05 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a wonderful poem.  It seems to imply a really great name for whatever the thing is :  Dubya's Codpiece.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:08 AM by steve&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"May the Piece of Cod be upon you!", Bryan? </p>

<p>"Kneel before Cod!"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:11 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one nation under Cod.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:17 AM by Bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of a bunch of Episcopalians milling around, handing each other bits of fish.</p>

<p>It's not a pretty sight.</p>

<p>I like "The Bush Wars."  I just hope historians won't call it "the Mesopotamian misadventure that led, some years later, to the second American Civil War, and the ultimate collapse of the United States."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:17 AM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sung to the tune of SPAM)<br />
Cod, Cod, Cod, Cod, Cod!</p>

<p>Somebody had to do the Monty Python joke.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:19 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Steve, somebody did not have to make that Monty Python joke. (Muttering to self: darn, he beat me to it.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:26 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #51 from Suzanne</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush Family Intergenerational Perceived Endowment Disparity Compensation War?</p>

<p>Or, y'know, Operation Little Sproing!</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:29 AM by Suzanne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne,</p>

<p>codpiece + sproing</p>

<p>I'm not sure I like where this is leading.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:38 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Serge @46</strong>:<br />
You know Teresa always says about blow jobs in the Oval Office...but <em>eeeew</em>.</p>

<p><strong>Xopher @48</strong>:<br />
Well, depending on how much you're willing to stretch it, isn't that the Eucharist?  But it's less the sight that scares me than the smell, after a few days.  Unless it's battered and fried, ahd there are chips in neat little cardboard dishes in the pews.</p>

<p><strong>Steve @49</strong> and <strong>Serge @50</strong>:<br />
Believe it or not, I wasn't expecting that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:47 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #54 from Jon Meltzer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush War II. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:50 AM by Jon Meltzer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heheheh, abi... Say, would you like <a href="http://www.zod2008.com/" rel="nofollow">this person</a> in the White House in 2008? He trashed the whole place when he first showed up, in 1980.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:51 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first thought, Serge?  Not with that beard.</p>

<p>Which gets me thinking.  When did facial hair disappear from American politics?  Are there a lot of mustachioed or bearded politicians that I'm just not seeing?  I am kind of far away, and don't watch a lot of TV, but everyone seems to be clean-shaven these days.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:57 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi #53, "I wasn't expecting that." </p>

<p>Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. (Cod help me, I'm on a roll. Must. Do. Something. Else. Lest I. Reiterate. Python All day.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:59 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Abi, I'm one of those mustachioed and bearded politicians (even had a pony-tail when I was elected), but unless you get our local GVTV, you probably haven't seen me.</p>

<p>Also, Steve LaTourette sports a beard and mustache.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:02 AM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #59 from Scott H</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the current conflict will ultimately be recorded as one of the following:</p>

<p>World War III <br />
The Seventh Crusade<br />
The Iraqi Civil War</p>

<p>If they let me name it, I'd call it</p>

<p>The Chickenhawk Crusade</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:04 AM by Scott H&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #60 from Scott H</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh! or</p>

<p>The Iraqi Oil Heist</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:06 AM by Scott H&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have a beard like Zod's, abi. Ask MLers who've met me. (When I went to Lisa Goldstein's autograph session at LAcon, she also said something about my not being as young as she had pictured me. Or something about my hair not being as dark as she envisionned. Either way, it was a crushing blow. But I digress...) I can't think of any mustachio'ed or bearded poltician, thes days. I remember when Al Gore tried to grow a Captain Nemo beard and so many people made fun of it that it promptly disappeared.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> Steve B @57</strong><br />
That was, of course, the line I was referencing.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:08 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I <em>like</em> beards.  My dad has one, and I keep trying to get the Hub to grow his back.  I just didn't realise until I saw that link that I never see them on American politicians.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:12 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we see a lot pf with male politicians, abi, are Shatner Turbo 3000 toupees. Is it my imagination that Republicans are more likely to go for those than Democrats? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:16 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, apologies, I've been run over by an inspiration, appropo to the comment <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/008242.html#152700" rel="nofollow">wondering about getting under GWB's skin</a></p>

<p>(The linked comment references "Hey, hey, LBJ..." Try this, maybe?)</p>

<p>"Bush! Bush! Yer life's so cush!<br />
How many dead kids under yer tush?"</p>

<p>Uhm... I can't quite believe I'm typing that here for you guys. *deep breath* Okay, if it's horrible, I'll take my lumps.</p>

<p>Crazy(but apparently the only sane response in a r**lity-based world)Soph</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi</p>

<p>In re: beards, check out the excellent discussion of them in MacKay's great book <i>Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Diversions and the Madness of Crowds</i>: Chapter one, Volume Two: "Influence of Politics and Religion on the Hair and Beard."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:22 AM by Sarah S&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:25 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#39: abi:<em>Pop quiz: Who fought the French and Indian War?</em></p>

<p>No, it's not clear from the name that the French and Indians were on the same side in that war. (My 7th grade Social Studies teacher made a big point of it though.)</p>

<p><em>(Can I just say how cool it is to see my sonnet on the front page of ML? Cool, but sad, because I can't fill the gap we all perceive.)</em></p>

<p>Congratulations. This may be a good time to impart a bit of wisdom I received from Jonathan Tunick. He's the premiere orchestrator for musical theater of our time. He's having a second career of sorts right now reorchestrating musicals for reduced forces. (Sometimes, these are musicals for which he wrote the original orchestrations.) He remarked the reason he's been successful at this is because he does not think of the job as coming up with a new orchestration which takes the place of the original, albeit with small forces. He can't do, with fewer instruments, everything the original did. He makes the new orchestration do its own things, to be a good orchestration in its own right.</p>

<p>It sounds obvious, but it isn't. I've heard enough reduced orchestrations to prove that.</p>

<p>As for naming the war, it might be worth waiting to see if this escalates into a broader regional conflict against the US. I wouldn't put it past this administration to lock future administrations into a path they can't leave.<br />
</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone's heard Roy Zimmerman's "Chickenhawk" song, right?  Roy's the Tom Lehrer of our time, if you ask me.  Here's <a href="http://www.royzimmerman.com/mp3/snippets/Faulty_Intelligence/Chickenhawk.mp3" rel="nofollow">a snippet</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:47 AM by Jon Sobel&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yanno (tm, Miss Snark) it strikes me that the last time this country was under the thumb of a man named George, who thought he could boss us around, we had the American Revolution. </p>

<p>Something in the Declaration about "throw off such governments and assigning new guards for their future secutity." I may not be exact in the wording, but you get the idea.</p>

<p>Hmmm....</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abi #39 and JC#68 French and Indian War.</p>

<p>The Indians were actually on both sides as mercenaries and partisans. One could think of that war as a three-sided conflict (British, French, Native Populations) and as the first World War (as the conflict wasn't limited to the colonies but included European, Caribbean, and I think African holdings).</p>

<p>It was also Geo. Washington's only major defeat where he was forced to sign a capitulation letter in French (a language he didn't know) which included a clause where he admitted to having killed the French Ambassador (whose name escapes me at the moment) which ignited the conflict to a larger scale than just a border war. The involvement of a native called Little King in this affair is especially interesting (as is his history).</p>]]>
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<p>Georgie, Georgie, bomb and gun,<br />
Went to Iraq and made the blood run,<br />
When the truth saw light of day,<br />
Georgie, Georgie ran away. </p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repeating myself from the other thread -- I didn't realize the discussion had moved:</p>

<p>Vietnam II?<br />
The War of Unintended Consequences?<br />
Halliburton's Windfall?</p>

<p>...PNACkered?</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>JC @68</strong>,</p>

<p>I appreciate the wisdom, and not just in this context.  (I'm working on recasting a ballad I wrote years ago as a sonnet, and I think I need to take another cut at it in the light of that advice.)</p>

<p>I reference Mike Ford in writing sonnets here because he was our sonnet guy, not because I'm writing them entirely in imitation of him.  This isn't my first foray into the form.  I'd stopped writing them about ten years ago, after a decade or so of sporadic efforts, because I never really saw anywhere you could go with them.  Reading Mike's work showed me otherwise, but also intimidated me.</p>

<p>When he died, I realised that if I ever wanted them to be any good, I was going to have to write more sonnets.  I'm trying to get back into the pace of them, so the meter is a habit and the rhymes come easily, because it's only then that the content controls the language rather than the reverse.  I have a ways to go, and I know it.  It's open to question whether I have any talent in the area, but I don't think that will be detectable until I inhabit the form more comfortably.</p>

<p>I write things that relate here because I think a lot about what gets posted here.  Some of those thoughts fall into the rhythm and the rhyme, and some of the results get stuck in the comments box.  I'm conscious that that may be intrusive, and that worries me, but I reckon a stupid sonnet can be as easily ignored as foolish prose.</p>

<p>I mean both clauses when I say, "I am not Mike Ford, nor was meant to be."  I'm conscious that, posting them here, I'm reminding people of a loss that I can't fill - I'm not him, and I'm not a part of people's lives here the way he was.  But I'm not trying to become him, or write what he would have written.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 11:01 AM by Faren Miller&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"I am not Mike Ford, nor was meant to be."</i></p>

<p>Do your own thing, abi. I've never met Mike, but he probably would have been honored to be the one you want to emulate.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#68:abi: <em>I reference Mike Ford in writing sonnets here because he was our sonnet guy, not because I'm writing them entirely in imitation of him.</em></p>

<p>Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that I thought you were imitating him. My apologies if I've offended you.</p>

<p>What I meant, and what I understood Tunick to mean, was that one shouldn't worry about filling losses. It's better to focus on doing the best work one can do instead.</p>

<p>(I mean, I write sonnets too, but, so far, I limit them to birthday cards.)<br />
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "W Made Destruction" war<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 11:23 AM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>JC @77</strong></p>

<p>I'm not offended.  I wasn't sure whether this was - finally - the challenge to my presumption ("Hey, you can't write sonnets here!  This is Mike's turf!"), or what I hoped you meant, which is what you did mean.  If you see what I mean.</p>

<p>Shorter me @68 would be "I'm not writing to fill the gap, which may be a good thing, because I know I don't."</p>

<p>So when do we get to see a JC sonnet on ML? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 11:24 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Serge @76</strong></p>

<p>From what I hear of his character, I think Mike would like the idea that his example has encouraged people.  This doesn't mean you can blame him when the sonnets he inspires are no good...</p>

<p>My own thing is the only thing I can do.  I learned that ten years and one nervous breakdown ago.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 11:26 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My own thing is the only thing I can do.</i></p>

<p>Exactly, abi.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 11:30 AM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #82 from Caroline</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Apologies in advance to Bryan #40.)</p>

<p>The CodePeace War:</p>

<p>"Renowned accountant Tuttle staggered through the grungy archway of Jenny's Diner.  He lunged for the nearest stool he could see..."</p>

<p>I'm sorry, I'm sorry.  It was the Code part that incited me.</p>

<p>abi -- I used to write a lot of sonnets -- they were my preferred form for writing about ambiguous or difficult themes, because the form demands clarity of expression. Mr. Ford's example had been prodding me to start again.  Good on you for doing it.</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to come up with names and realized that the war needs a name, but so does the era of Bush's terms in office...the attack on science, the move toward theocratic government and away from the Bill of Rights is all part of a broader change, a rolling back of the enlightenment. The dawn of a new dark age, the American Talibanic movement.</p>

<p>The war:</p>

<p>Chimpgate</p>

<p>LIAdR (Liberate Iraq and Democratize the Region)</p>

<p>PNAC Attack</p>

<p>The era:</p>

<p>The Regression</p>

<p>Neo-theocratic Age</p>

<p>The Rollback</p>

<p>The Torture Years</p>

<p><br />
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #84 from Anne Sheller</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad that Jesus didn't do a loaves and fishes thing at the Last Supper. I just can't see Communion as a wafer, a sip of wine, and a shred of anchovy. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:12 PM by Anne Sheller&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #85 from Stargeezer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>  It is NOT nor has it ever been a war. It started as a bloody invasion and is now a brutal occupation.<br />
  Stargeezer</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:12 PM by Stargeezer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #86 from Alex Cohen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a pity that "The Children's Crusade" is already taken.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:24 PM by Alex Cohen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #87 from Margaret Organ-Kean</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 72 - Ursula</p>

<p>I like it.</p>

<p>But I'd suggest changing the second line to </p>

<p>Went to war and made blood run</p>

<p>I think it scans better - but then what do I know?</p>

<p>Georgie, Georgie, bomb and gun,<br />
Went to war and made blood run<br />
When the truth saw light of day,<br />
Georgie, Georgie ran away.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:33 PM by Margaret Organ-Kean&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#87</p>

<p>You're right.  The "the" adds an extra syllable that messes up the verse.  As does two-syllable "Iraq" vs. one sylable "war."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:40 PM by Ursula L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it's worth, here are some Library of Congress authorized subject headings:</p>

<p>  Iraq War, 2003-<br />
  Afghan War, 2001-<br />
  War on Terrorism, 2001-</p>

<p>These won't necessarily be names for the ages (LC only got around to shifting from "Vietnamese Conflict" to "Vietnam War" as the preferred subject heading for that war within the last year.)  But they do identify commonly used names for these wars at the time the wars started needing names.</p>

<p>Then they have the cross-references, other terms seen in the literature that didn't make a main entry, but were worth noting.  Here's the list for those:</p>

<p>For Iraq War, 2003-:<br />
 Anglo-American Invasion of Iraq, 2003-<br />
 Gulf War II, 2003-</p>

<p>No cross-references given for Afghan War, <br />
though it has a "broader term" reference to<br />
"War on Terrorism. 2001-".</p>

<p>For War on Terrorism, 2001-:<br />
 Enduring Freedom, Operation, 2001-<br />
 Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism, 2001-<br />
 Global War on Terror, 2001-<br />
 Noble Eagle, Operation, 2001-<br />
 Operation Enduring Freedom, 2001-<br />
 Operation Noble Eagle, 2001-<br />
 Terror War, 2001-<br />
 Terrorism War, 2001-<br />
 War against Terrorism, 2001-<br />
 War on Terror, 2001-<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:45 PM by John Mark Ockerbloom&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Operation (BUZZ!)</p>

<p>Remember when military names weren't choosen for maximum PR affect?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 12:58 PM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #91 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there ought to be something that has<br />
"extraordinary rendition" in it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:08 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #92 from Ursula L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Second Undeclared US-Iraqi Conflict?</p>

<p>I really think it should be clear that in the US, only Congress can declare war, and they haven't.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:18 PM by Ursula L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #93 from Linkmeister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm suddenly hearing the song title from an old Jim Croce song:</p>

<p>"I've Got a Name."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:27 PM by Linkmeister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #94 from Martyn Taylor</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched them induct Brian Wilson into the UK Music Hall of Fame last night, so it has to be Cod only knows.</p>

<p>Isn't it fun to be hysterical about something so bloody awful?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:31 PM by Martyn Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #95 from James</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>War Without End, Part 1</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:32 PM by James&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #96 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 17.Nov.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friendly Upscale Conflict Known to be Universally Popular.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:35 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #97 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today's column by Molly Ivins has a few quotes from our favorite Don Rumsfeld. If I may, I'll list a few...</p>

<p>3. "Needless to say, the president is correct. Whatever it was he said." </p>

<p>4. "I don't do quagmires." </p>

<p>5. "I don't do diplomacy." </p>

<p>6. "I don't do foreign policy." </p>

<p>12. "If I know the answer, I'll tell you the answer. And if I don't, I'll just respond cleverly." </p>

<p>13. "I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:43 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, was WW2 called that while it was going on?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:44 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Communion, and the loaves and fishes: According to Marvin Harris (<i>In <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Cows-Pigs-Wars-Witches-Riddles/dp/0679724680" rel="nofollow">Cows, Pigs, Wars & Witches</a></i>), the early Church started with an obligation to feed the fellowship through &ldquo;love feasts&rdquo; (<i>meals shared in love</i>). After becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire, the Church became the empire's &ldquo;soup kitchen&rdquo; (<i>where the poor went to be fed</i>). The Church grew tired of this burden, and feeding the fellowship was scaled back to a once-a-year abstraction of a meal (<i>the wafer and a sip of wine</i>) in Communion. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:47 PM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #100 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't remember, was it "Cat in the Hat" where they figured out where something was, by figuring out all the places it wasn't? Seems to sum up the Bush Administration's approach to figuring otu where all the WMD's are:</p>

<p>By blowing the hell out of all the places they are not.</p>

<p>Probably a war name in there somewhere.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:47 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex Cohen @86: <i>It's a pity that "The Children's Crusade" is already taken.</i></p>

<p>How about &ldquo;The Idiot's Crusade&rdquo;?</p>

<p>No, they'd say we were insulting the troops, when that wasn't where the insult was aimed...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:50 PM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don't know how to spell it:<br />
Iraqcupation?<br />
Iroccupation?<br />
Iraqupation?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  1:50 PM by pmm&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Greg London @100</strong>:</p>

<p>No, it wasn't the Cat in the Hat, though I can't place it.</p>

<p>But the Cat in the Hat Comes Back has a very good metaphor for what GWB has been doing about terrorism.</p>

<p>If you recall the story, the Cat creates a pink bathtub ring, and then uses a number of different mechanisms to try to clean it up (a dress, a wall, shoes, a rug, a bed).  Each iteration cleans the previous item but simply moves the mess onto the next item.  Then the Cat and his helpers (smaller cats who live in his hat) use milk, a TV and a fan to blow the ring out into the yard.  This sprays the snow outside with pink goo.  Their cunning plan is to use violence on the pink spots:</p>

<p><em>My cats are all clever.<br />
My cats are good shots.<br />
My cats have good guns.<br />
They will kill all those spots.</em></p>

<p>But shooting at the pink spots just spreads them further.  The children keep asking the cat to stop, and it keeps ignoring them and adding more cats to the effort.  Eventually the whole yard is pink.  The cat claims that this is all part of the plan, and finally releases something called VOOM.  The VOOM cleans up all the pink and shovels the snow off of the path to boot.</p>

<p>So, back here in the real world, the snow is starting to look pretty damned pink.  The cats are all out of the hat and shooting at pink snow wherever they can.  And I don't see any VOOM (is this where the Rapture comes in the plan?)<br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #104 from Joel Polowin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I favour "Bush War".  Pronounced Bahston-style as "Bushwah".<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  2:12 PM by Joel Polowin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe "The Child's Crusade."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  2:23 PM by Alex Cohen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #106 from John Houghton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Iraq ClusterBush<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  2:28 PM by John Houghton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #107 from P J Evans</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James @ 96</p>

<p><i>Oh</i> yeah. That one is entirely correct.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  2:37 PM by P J Evans&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #108 from Neil Willcox</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've found the changes in the names of wars (and other historical events) fascinating.  For example:</p>

<p>What Americans call the French and Indian War, we in Britain call the Seven Year War (or rather a part of it that embarassingly went on for 9 years).</p>

<p>What I've always known of as the Indian or Sepoy or Great Mutiny (or some permutation of those; previously <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006442.html" rel="nofollow">referenced</a> on Making Light) is called by Indians, the First War of Indian (or National) Independence.  (When Brits and Indians meet the polite thing to do is refer to that event as The Great Rebellion, which is also more accurate than the other two names).</p>

<p>George R R Martin mentioned somewhere that the war he knew as the War of the Three Henrys had been renamed The Wars of Religion (due to socioeconomic forces having become more popular than Great Men).</p>

<p>I think that naming this war after a <i>casus belli</i> is unlikely, for more reasons than I can type just now, so we'll probably go with a geographical tag, unless something really memorable occurs.  Of course, we don't know what the most memorable thing about this war will be until it's over.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:06 PM by Neil Willcox&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cat in that Hat comments:</p>

<p>@100:  It's not in the book, but I believe the Cat in the Hat TV Special (the one with Allan Sherman)  involves finding something that Cat has missed by eliminating everywhere it isn't.  (Checking Wikipedia; yes, they mention it too.)</p>

<p>@103:  I think I've seen at least one commentator remark on the nuclear overtones for VOOM in _Thc Cat in the Hat Comes Back_.  I'm hoping this doesn't give the administration too many ideas...  (Checking Google; yes, there's a New Yorker article online making the same association; a rather silly article in many ways, but I also was reminded of it myself when I first read the story to my kids a while back.  Of course, there's only so far you can take the analogy and still be able to contemplate reading the book as a bedtime story...)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:23 PM by John Mark Ockerbloom&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us with a theatrical turn of mind....Rumsfeld's Follies?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:26 PM by Melody&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#103.  So that would make it something like</p>

<p>The Voom War</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:27 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh nutz, TomPaine stole a march on me.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:30 PM by Melody&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil Willcox #108 <i>Ithink that naming this war after a casus belli is unlikely, for more reasons than I can type just now</i></p>

<p>How about the War of Non-WMD? An assumed casus belli, accurate, and possibly reasonably memorable.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:39 PM by joann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #114 from Edward Oleander</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bush War II.</i></p>

<p>Could also read: Bush II War</p>

<p>or even: Bush II War II (Bush II War I being Afghanistan)</p>

<p>(ps: Melody suggests the Sold War)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  3:46 PM by Edward Oleander&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #115 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For those of us with a theatrical turn of mind....Rumsfeld's Follies?</i></p>

<p>Sure, Melody. Could the choreography be done by the director who did <i>Springtime for Hitler</i>?</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The War that brought Al Queda to Iraq?<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  4:07 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  4:07 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fight for Unitary Balkanized Arab Republics</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  4:17 PM by Steve Buchheit&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush League War</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  4:51 PM by joann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#98 - Serge</p>

<p>The bloody war.  'fuck' was only used by intellectuals over here in those days, and not in polite company.  </p>

<p>Hey, that's progress.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:15 PM by Martyn Taylor&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:29 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "George Bush wants YOU to join Al Queda" War</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:30 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #123 from rm</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>abi @103:</i></p>

<p><b><i>Greg London @100:</i></b></p>

<p><b><i>No, it wasn't the Cat in the Hat, though I can't place it.</i></b></p>

<p>It's the animated TV special of _The Cat in the Hat_ which presents the very scientific method of finding the missing "moss-covered, three-handled family gredunza" (begone, Mr. Freud, you are not needed here!) by labeling every place it is not with a code number in permanent marker: L-103, 2736B, and so on. All set to music.</p>

<p>One of the first left-bloggerian names for this war was "Operation Inigo Montoya," as in the _Princess Bride_ character who says "Allo. My name is Inigo Montoya. You [strike "killed"] [allegedly attempted to kill] my father. Prepare to die."</p>

<p>So . . . I dunno how to combine all this concisely, but this is the War to Avenge the Alleged Attempted Mass Destruction of the Moss-Covered Three-Handled Family Gredunza by Process of Extreme Elimination. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:30 PM by rm&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #124 from Thomas</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite is "The War of the Texas Succession"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  5:47 PM by Thomas&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #125 from TomB</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Operation Enduring Bush</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  8:55 PM by TomB&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #126 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to call the war? </p>

<p>A disaster.</p>

<p>Even Tony Blair said so, according to what I read on the Huffington Post today. It's interesting though to hear why he thinks it's a disaster. Here goes...</p>

<p><i>Tony Blair went close last night to admitting that the invasion of Iraq had been disastrous. Challenged in an interview on Al-Jazeera's new English-language channel that the Western intervention in Iraq had "so far been pretty much of a disaster", he gave a brief agreement before swiftly moving on.</i></p>

<p><i>He said: "It has, but you see what I say to people is why is it difficult in Iraq? It is not difficult because of some accident in planning, it is difficult because there is a deliberate strategy, al-Qaeda with Sunni insurgents on one hand, Iranian-backed elements with Shia militias on the other, to create a situation in which the will of the majority for peace is displaced by the will of the minority for war."</i></p>

<p>Sigh.</p>

<p>History will not be kind to Bush's Poodle.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006  9:54 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #127 from adamsj</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boys II War (girls, too, so this one isn't really accurate, but I like it, like it, yes I do)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 17, 2006 10:07 PM by adamsj&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #128 from philS</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The War of Mass Deception?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006  7:25 AM by philS&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #129 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a tad crude, but I think I favour "the shrunk dick war".</p>

<p>Especially since you just <b>know</b> Mr. Cheney thought he was being oh-so-grand-strategically -clever and forestalling the Chinese by blocking their access to oil, whatever he told the Shrub and whatever twisted Freudian issues were driving same lamented vegetable.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006  9:02 AM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today Blair's spokesbeing is saying that no, he didn't mean it was a disaster, he just likes to repeat what interviewers ask him. Which makes one wonder what else El-Jazeera could have gotten him to admit, if true.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006 11:43 AM by Vicki&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #131 from Will A</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O Occupation, wherefore art so named?<br />
For in the word imperial echoes sound:<br />
The thump of Nazi boots in Vichey France,<br />
Or toasters marching through New Caprica.<br />
Deny thy many fathers and refuse<br />
To be so called an Occupation.<br />
What's Occupation? Neither war or peace,<br />
A kind of civil war set to slow boil<br />
And bubbling faster now. Be something else!<br />
What's in a name? That which we call a Bush<br />
By any other name would smell as sweet.<br />
So this war would, would this not a war called.</p>

<p>(Apologies to all. Couldn't resist.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006 12:11 PM by Will A&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #132 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It's the animated TV special of _The Cat in the Hat_ which presents the very scientific method of finding the missing "moss-covered, three-handled family gredunza" (begone, Mr. Freud, you are not needed here!) by labeling every place it is not with a code number in permanent marker: L-103, 2736B, and so on. All set to music.</i></p>

<p>Oh, I'm so glad to hear that I'm not losing my mind... So how about:</p>

<p>The Gredunza War</p>

<p>Hm. Is there a clinical psychological name for being unconvinced of the non-existence of some threatening thing, and the psychosis manifests itself by the patient destroying all the places it might be? There are some pretty specific psychosises out there, so thought it couldn't hurt to ask.</p>

<p></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006  4:25 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #133 from Fragano Ledgister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We're all agreed that it's a bloody shame<br />
that Georgie's little war in Arab land,<br />
though in the news, has not yet got a name<br />
that history will use to understand<br />
just how the Yankees got into this mess,<br />
and how they drew in that ass Tony Blair;<br />
that gives a simple label to the process<br />
which brought the dragon war out of its lair.<br />
We've got some names, names formal and names cute,<br />
we call it Dubya's War, or simply Occupation,<br />
refer to George appearing in a flight-suit,<br />
or else to problems when you build a nation.<br />
And, if we hesitate, or seem to ponder, well<br />
for the Iraqis this whole thing is hell.</i></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006  7:31 PM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano & Abri, I salute your superior skill with rhyme. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006 10:22 PM by Will A&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#129: <i>It's a tad crude, but I think I favour "the shrunk dick war".</i></p>

<p>I forgot to call the shade by its proper name, so it kept haunting the thread. Begone, <i>Dr.</i> Freud. That should do it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 18, 2006 11:38 PM by rm&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fragano,</p>

<p>Well done.  Particularly the final kicker.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 19, 2006  4:45 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will A #134: Thanks.</p>

<p>Abi #136: I do my best. Thanks.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 19, 2006  9:47 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kenneth "Cakewalk" Adelman, it now seems to be Rumsfeld's War. <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2006/11/being-neocon-means-never-having-to-say.html" rel="nofollow">Being a neocon means never having to say you're sorry. </a> Kicking a friend when he's down and out (of the Defense Department): Not that the Donald Rumsfeld doesn't deserve it, but with friends like Kenneth Adelman portraying him as totally delusional, who needs enemies?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 19, 2006  4:17 PM by Madison Guy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I say I'm liking the sonnets and rhymes dotting this thread? Keep them coming.</p>

<p><br />
Alas, having far less poetry in my soul, I preferred the original title given to all the various actions purportedly against Al-Queda: The War Against Terror.  Its acroynm is just the perjorative to describe the conduct of Bush and his cronies since 2001. </p>

<p>So this would be the Mesopotamian Edition of 'The War Against Terror'... </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 19, 2006  6:39 PM by Dei&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be The War That Made Iraq Safe For Terrorists, except that Iraq isn't safe for anyone right now.</p>

<p>From our Brit POV it is perhaps the 4th or 5th Iraq War.  So for the Iraqis it must be the Fifth British Invasion. Or the Second American War.</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  8:56 AM by Ken&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The antecedents of this one should be pretty clear:</p>

<p>Before I'd name the war, I'd ask to know<br />
What I was calling "in" and calling "out",<br />
And how this situation's like to grow.<br />
It's clarity we've too long been without.<br />
New York, Afghanistan, Madrid, Iraq,<br />
Guantanamo and London, Bali too;<br />
Iran and North Korea, from the talk,<br />
And then Peoria? and me? and you?<br />
We move in darkness, as it seems to me<br />
Not of fear only, but a shades of lie<br />
That hide the places we become less free<br />
And trumpet out the ways that we could die.<br />
Until we get so used to constant strife<br />
That we don't call it war, but normal life.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  9:21 AM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #142 from Joel Polowin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #123: Maybe "Dubya's Classic Blunder".  As in, "The most famous is <i>'never get involved in a land war in Asia'</i> ".<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  9:36 AM by Joel Polowin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abi #141:</p>

<p><i>We've got a war with no front and no rear,<br />
the enemy is one that we have made,<br />
yet we cannot get our slow arses into gear.</i></p>

<p><i>The enemy is both far distant and near,<br />
by devious means we know that he is paid,<br />
we've got a war with no front and no rear.</i></p>

<p><i>The truth's been told but we don't want to hear<br />
things that might put our leader in the shade,<br />
yet we cannot get our slow arses into gear.</i></p>

<p><i>We've told the public all the lies they'll bear<br />
and now they seem to want us all to fade;<br />
we've got a war with no front and no rear.</i></p>

<p><i>We've called the enemy both dark and queer;<br />
but now he's vanished into the parade<br />
yet we cannot get our slow arses into gear.</i></p>

<p><i>We'll win this war, by all that we hold dear,<br />
there's still a load of lies we have not said;<br />
we've got a war with no front and no rear,<br />
yet we cannot get our slow arses into gear. </i></p>

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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006 11:31 AM by Fragano Ledgister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another thread, someone mentioned OIF -- which I guess was the government's original name for this war (at least in the first weeks of the invation): Operation Iraqui Freedom. These days, the acronym could stand for Occupation is Futile (or F*cked).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006 11:50 AM by Faren Miller&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #145 from Mark DF</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Freedom War.</p>

<p>It will go done in history as the only war <i>everybody</i> lost.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  1:54 PM by Mark DF&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #146 from Madison Guy</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm starting to wonder if the real name won't just be compressed by history into the Iran War Part I.</p>

<p>Combining the gradualist approach of Barack Obama (and other Democrats) with Sy Hersh's New Yorker piece this week raises the ultimate nightmare scenario: <a href="http://letterfromhere.blogspot.com/2006/11/hanging-around-iraq-one-more-friedman.html" rel="nofollow"> Hanging around Iraq, one more Friedman at a time, until the only solution seems to be attacking Iran?</a> Will the Democrats wake up and call a halt to the administration's plans for Iran before it's too late?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  7:38 PM by Madison Guy&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #144: No, the original (and short-lived) name for the initial conflict was Operation Iraqi Crusade.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  8:38 PM by Earl Cooley III&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #144, 147: I had read that it was originally <b>Operation Iraqi Liberty</b>, before someone noted the unfortunately apt acronym.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  8:42 PM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #146: Along the same lines, I was thinking Shrub War I (<i>aka Shrub War Iraq</i>)... followed by Shrub War II (<i>aka Shrub War Iran</i>). I hope you're right, and that there's enough Democratic (<i>and Republican, and military</i>) opposition to a wider war. I could see that started, and left as a mess for next administration. Then the Republican candidate in 2012 would campaign on how poorly the Democratic administration was managing the war.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006  8:54 PM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #150 from miriam beetle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rob,</p>

<p>wouldn't shrub war i be afghanistan?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006 11:00 PM by miriam beetle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #151 from miriam beetle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although,</p>

<p>i got to say i like the way that "shrub war iraq" & "shrub war iran" make them sound like seasons of <i>the real world</i>.</p>

<p>what was that about living in a facsimile?....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2006 11:03 PM by miriam beetle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #152 from L M B MacAlister</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These days, I tend to just call it "this damned war."  But I suspect history won't be kind to Dubya.  My votes for the name:</p>

<p>1.  The War of Embarrassment</p>

<p>2.  The Iraq Debacle</p>

<p>Question asked by child in 2036:  "Mom, where was Iraq?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 21, 2006  2:06 AM by L M B MacAlister&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>wouldn't shrub war i be afghanistan?</i></p>

<p>Yes, you're right. I was thinking of 'I' as both the numeral and the initial (<i>for Iraq and Iran</i>) and forgot Afghanistan because it didn't fit that pattern.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 21, 2006  2:41 AM by Rob Rusick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #154 from elizabeth bear</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anybody linked Keith Olbermann here yet?</p>

<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/20/olbermann-delivers-a-special-comment-educating-bush-on-vietnam/" rel="nofollow">Olbermann on lessons learned in Vietnam</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 21, 2006  9:02 AM by elizabeth bear&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #155 from dilbert dogbert</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In another blog someone talked about how Viet Nam had the "best and brightest" crew doing the "march of folly".  How about a contest to name this wars "best and brightest"?  How about "Dumb and Dumber"?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 23, 2006 11:04 AM by dilbert dogbert&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #156 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some variation on Dumb and Dumber would be good, reasons: Dubya is dumb. This war is dumber than anyone imagined it could possibly be. Dubya sounds sort of like dumb. World War 2 is often referred to as WW2.</p>

<p><br />
Dubya Dumber Two.</p>

<p>When the going goes dumb, shame on you, when the dumb gets dumber.. shame on.. dumbed again. </p>

<p></p>

<p>It is really a rather euphonious nickname he has isn't it?</p>

<p>how about a Dumb Dubya, a children's book.</p>

<p>One could have pages with nice pictures and lines lines about Dumping Dubya in the Dumpster or maybe dropping Dubya down the drain.</p>

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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 23, 2006  6:27 PM by bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Naming the war -- comment #157 from bryan</title>
         <description>comment from bryan on 23.Nov.06</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Could the choreography be done by the director who did Springtime for Hitler?"</p>

<p>Rush Limbaugh steps on stage, he sings:</p>

<p>Things were bleak for conservatism<br />
despite a hero without jism<br />
a paragon of virtues great<br />
who really knew how to orate <br />
and to the folk communicate<br />
like the folk likes us to do</p>

<p>reelection was not for sure<br />
soon our majesty might be forgotten <br />
then, god bless his imprimatur,<br />
We got some help from Bin Laden (Twin towers fall in back)</p>

<p>The complete keyboard warriors chorus line joins in:</p>

<p>Now its -<br />
Flowers For Rumsfeld and Cheney too<br />
Coal lumps for Demos and Crats<br />
this war is Dubya Dumber two<br />
The Iraquis  - better have good welcome mats</p>

<p><br />
step step turn (shoot iraqui child)</p>

<p>Flowers for Neocon politicos<br />
missions accomplished for votes<br />
Jeff Gannon has a pretty nose<br />
those aren't grenades that he totes</p>

<p>shimmy shimmmy wiggle turn (torture dead iraqui child)</p>

<p>Bush comes on stage: Wait a second wait a second wait a second<br />
What are you doing torturing that child.</p>

<p>pro-torture pundit looks up from torturing the child: I'm torturing the child.</p>

<p>Bush mugs for the audience and does wide arm waving: I CAN SEE THAAAAAT</p>

<p>drum roll. </p>

<p>Bush sings solo: I never ordered you to torture a child, wink wink<br />
I do not think it is the thing to do, wink wink<br />
However it does not look like you are doing what I see that you are doing</p>

<p>soldier: wink wink</p>

<p>Chorus line joins: We do not torture but reserve the rights, wink wink<br />
to do whats necessary in a fight, wink wink<br />
the body's dead and starts to stink<br />
wink wink, wink wink, wink wink</p>

<p>Bush: Blink blink!</p>

<p>When torture is done by us, which it ain't<br />
it doesn't have that criminal taint,<br />
cause it ain't, we've passed a law to legalize<br />
when we need to kill, maim or sodomize,<br />
which is a depth to which we don't sink!</p>

<p>ALL: Wink, wink.</p>

<p>Bush: Blink, Blink</p>

<p>All: Wink Wink!</p>

<p>Bush: Sorry, I mis-stated.</p>

<p>All: Never mein Fuhrer, blink Blink!</p>

<p><br />
Bush (sotto voce): That kid is really starting to turn.</p>

<p>Limbaugh: Yes, he's gone bad alright. completely Arabic.</p>

<p>-------------------------------------------</p>

<p>hmm, I guess I won't write the part where Cheney comes on stage and sings: Arabs are people too (they taste great with wine)</p>]]>
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