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      <title>from "The Shield of Achilles"</title>
      <description>From W. H. Auden, &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; (via Mark Kleiman):The mass and majesty of this world, all That carries...</description>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #1 from Yatima</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With me, right now, it's Hopkins:</p>

<p>NO worst, there is none. Pitched past pitch of grief,<br />
More pangs will, schooled at forepangs, wilder wring.<br />
Comforter, where, where is your comforting?<br />
Mary, mother of us, where is your relief?<br />
My cries heave, herds-long; huddle in a main, a chief<br />
Woe, world-sorrow; on an age-old anvil wince and sing -- <br />
Then lull, then leave off. Fury had shrieked 'No ling-<br />
ering! Let me be fell: force I must be brief'.<br />
  O the mind, mind has mountains; cliffs of fall<br />
Frightful, sheer, no-man-fathomed. Hold them cheap<br />
May who ne'er hung there. Nor does long our small<br />
Durance deal with that steep or deep. Here! creep,<br />
Wretch, under a comfort serves in a whirlwind: all<br />
Life death does end and each day dies with sleep.</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #2 from david sanger</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm been listening to Joan Baez</p>

<p><a href="http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=52102335&s=143441&i=52101539" rel="nofollow">LAST, LONELY AND WRETCHED</a><br />
(Words and Music by Joan Baez)</p>

<p>You're tired and you're poor,<br />
you long to be free,<br />
but in this Godforsaken land<br />
you find no home, no family<br />
on the many roads that you've wandered<br />
since the day of your birth.<br />
You've become one of the last,<br />
lonely and wretched.</p>

<p>Your hair is matted,<br />
your face and hands are dirty,<br />
and the years that you've toiled<br />
must number somewhere near thirty.<br />
The deepening of a sadness<br />
broke finally into madness.<br />
You are truly one of the last,<br />
lonely and wretched.</p>

<p>Your eyes are wild and frightening<br />
at the same time they are blessed<br />
and I wonder if God died,<br />
turned his back or only just rested.<br />
And you walked out on the seventh day<br />
through the big gates and on your way<br />
to become one of the last,<br />
lonely and wretched.</p>

<p>For once you were a child.<br />
Your cheeks were red,<br />
you were well fed.<br />
You laughed and played<br />
till you got teary,<br />
ran to your mother<br />
when you were weary.</p>

<p>But somewhere you were forsaken<br />
alone I'll not bear the blame<br />
and somehow all was taken,<br />
your mind, your body, your name.<br />
Forgive us our unkindness,<br />
our desertion and our blindness,<br />
with you, all the last,<br />
lonely and wretched.<br />
Forgive us, all the last,<br />
lonely and wretched.</p>

<p>© 1970, 1971 Chandos Music (ASCAP</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  3:31 AM by david sanger&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #3 from Julie L.</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br />
The ceremony of innocence is drowned.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  6:54 AM by Julie L.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #4 from Lila</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Frost, "The Exposed Nest"</p>

<p>You were forever finding some new play.  <br />
So when I saw you down on hands and knees  <br />
In the meadow, busy with the new-cut hay,  <br />
Trying, I thought, to set it up on end,  <br />
I went to show you how to make it stay,        <br />
If that was your idea, against the breeze,  <br />
And, if you asked me, even help pretend  <br />
To make it root again and grow afresh.  <br />
But ’twas no make-believe with you to-day,  <br />
Nor was the grass itself your real concern,         <br />
Though I found your hand full of wilted fern,  <br />
Steel-bright June-grass, and blackening heads of clover.  <br />
’Twas a nest full of young birds on the ground  <br />
The cutter-bar had just gone champing over  <br />
(Miraculously without tasting flesh)         <br />
And left defenseless to the heat and light.  <br />
You wanted to restore them to their right  <br />
Of something interposed between their sight  <br />
And too much world at once—could means be found.  <br />
The way the nest-full every time we stirred         <br />
Stood up to us as to a mother-bird  <br />
Whose coming home has been too long deferred,  <br />
Made me ask would the mother-bird return  <br />
And care for them in such a change of scene  <br />
And might our meddling make her more afraid.         <br />
That was a thing we could not wait to learn.  <br />
We saw the risk we took in doing good,  <br />
But dared not spare to do the best we could  <br />
Though harm should come of it; so built the screen  <br />
You had begun, and gave them back their shade.         <br />
All this to prove we cared. Why is there then  <br />
No more to tell? We turned to other things.  <br />
I haven’t any memory—have you?—  <br />
Of ever coming to the place again  <br />
To see if the birds lived the first night through,         <br />
And so at last to learn to use their wings.  <br />
  <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  8:12 AM by Lila&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #5 from Ken MacLeod</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm afraid I don't get what's going on here. Could someone explain? Or, to put it in fannish:</p>

<p> [*]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  9:14 AM by Ken MacLeod&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #6 from Charles Dodgson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praise be to Nero's Neptune<br />
The Titanic sails at dawn<br />
And everybody's shouting<br />
"Which Side Are You On?"<br />
And Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot<br />
Fighting in the captain's tower<br />
While calypso singers laugh at them<br />
And fishermen hold flowers<br />
Between the windows of the sea<br />
Where lovely mermaids flow<br />
And nobody has to think too much<br />
About Desolation Row<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  9:54 AM by Charles Dodgson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #7 from Beth Meacham</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are quoting appropriate poetry to each other, Ken.  It's a surprising habit of American liberals.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005 10:10 AM by Beth Meacham&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #8 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken: Olympic freestyle poetry quotation, though original work is always a possibility. New Orleans is much on everyone's mind. Other themes crop up. Invisible egoboo points for being concise and apposite; more points for poetry that resonates interestingly with earlier comments. Or anyway, that's how I see it. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005 10:16 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #9 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that usually a liberal thing, Beth? I'm fairly sure that some of the poetry junkies here wouldn't describe themselves that way. I've just been figuring that outbreaks of poetry are an emergent property of Making Light.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005 10:24 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #10 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well original work, wrote this about 4-6 years back, in media res:</p>

<p><br />
.....the bomburst sets off a car-alarm<br />
even in Baghdad one worries of thieves</p>

<p>the whistling missile like a horny teenage boy.</p>

<p>The young anonymous genius scrambles<br />
in the ruination of his environment<br />
left to fall back on pure genetic will<br />
up the makeshift hillside<br />
half a tumbled apartment complex<br />
this visionary of manga transcendence<br />
to the invisible statue of forgotten poetry<br />
run & clamber you clever monkey<br />
& hear the dumb pronouncement<br />
“You must change yourself”<br />
punctuated by the sniper-fire.</p>

<p>Oh no, Abu! Aladdin is dead -<br />
destroyed the child thief at his station<br />
a smart bullet as found his brain<br />
and bled the information from the lobes.<br />
Will no academy award soundtrack resurrect him,<br />
will no pastel & curvaceous daughter of Rã<br />
kneel without cue or payoff?</p>

<p>What vizard can we lay the blame at<br />
What cold policy has chilled the heart<br />
Spilt blood, & totalled the statistic?</p>

<p><br />
................. and later</p>

<p>...well-schooled we have learned<br />
to read the soul of Humanity<br />
like pornography.<br />
Do you see anyone<br />
  who is charitable here?<br />
Our psychology asks<br />
 of what they are guilty.<br />
  Does one raise voice<br />
in defence of the unjustly accused?<br />
Beware that man, he commits<br />
the sin he does defend.<br />
 The Officials who were appointed <br />
To stamp out evil,<br />
legitimize its official pursuit.<br />
Those officials appointed<br />
to diminish falsehood<br />
publish reports with spurious<br />
statistics, unattributed quotations,<br />
flim-flammery & bogus evidence<br />
& no one knows what to believe<br />
when any belief is anyway a delusion<br />
spurred by your social class<br />
and indoctrination.<br />
Who can blame our leaders<br />
if they mislead us,<br />
Who can blame our heroes<br />
if they have no virtues,<br />
Virtue is a lie<br />
told by saints & philosophers.<br />
The man who saves life today<br />
will tomorrow extort praise.</p>

<p>I ask you: Am I somehow<br />
to feel myself a lesser man<br />
for never having done one<br />
kind deed, or given <br />
a thought to any suffering person?<br />
Those who give alms<br />
deduct from their taxes.</p>

<p></p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #11 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, I like the last stanza best. It'd work well all by itself.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005 10:33 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #12 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well it's basically from an epic poem, 300+ pages :)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005 10:36 AM by bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #13 from Jo Walton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bit of "The Shield of Achilles" that really resonates with me is the verse:</p>

<p>That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third<br />
Were axioms to him, who'd never heard<br />
Of any world where promises were kept<br />
Or one could weep because another wept.</p>

<p>That connects in my head with a Pink Floyd song "The Gunner's Dream":</p>

<p>You can relax on both side of the tracks<br />
And maniacs<br />
Don't blow holes in bandsmen by remote control,<br />
And everyone has recourse to the law<br />
And no-one kills the children anymore.</p>

<p>As Jerry Pournelle once said, there are remarkably few things hailing to the glories of peace. That's where I started from.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005 10:44 AM by Jo Walton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #14 from Aled Morgan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrddin, 2003.</p>

<p>When I ran wild in the wood,<br />
In the dark season,<br />
The trees stood bare<br />
The streams ran hard<br />
Life was deep buried<br />
And they said that I was mad.<br />
Words struck through me like lightning.</p>

<p>Listen, my king, my piglet, my apple-tree,<br />
What is the purpose of this war?<br />
Why are we flinging ourselves into foreign quagmire<br />
Head-down heedless, like a knight at a ford,<br />
Spending lives, treasure, and reputation<br />
When all we do makes matters worse<br />
And nobody has asked for our intercession?</p>

<p>Listen here, old oak trees,<br />
A few brown leaves rattling<br />
Against the gales of autumn,<br />
You have seen battles, hidden kings,<br />
You remember the last war,<br />
Young men falling like leaves.<br />
You don't need my prophecies.</p>

<p>Yes, I led the king to the stone,<br />
What did you want, anarchy?<br />
We elected him by acclamation.<br />
Yes, I had him taught to fight,<br />
Did you want your king to be a weakling?<br />
Yes, I have a measure of foresight,<br />
But they're dying for nothing and nobody will listen!</p>

<p>I am a crow. I am Cassandra.<br />
Anyone with eyes can see that this is wrong.<br />
I will run cawing through the winter wood,<br />
Rend my soft skin, scratch in the loam,<br />
Rub ashes on my ancient head,<br />
Hold urgent orgies of refutation<br />
In ardent denial of responsibility.</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #15 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, that "Were axioms to him" really moved the whole. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005 10:55 AM by bryan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #16 from MD²</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean Racine, "A la louange de la charité".</p>

<p>Que me sert que ma foi transporte les montagnes ?<br />
       Que Dans les arides campagnes<br />
       Les torrents naissent sous mes pas;<br />
       Ou que ranimant la poussière<br />
       Elle rende aux morts la lumière,<br />
       Si l'amour ne l'anime pas ?</p>

<p><br />
Catherine Pozzi, "Nyx" (Re-reading it yesterday, my mind couldn't help but twist it in a way that fits the events, and gives that poem I never really liked a whole new light).</p>

<p>O vous mes nuits, ô noires attendues<br />
O pays fiers, ô secrets obstinés<br />
O long regards, ô foudroyante nues<br />
O vol permis outre les cieux fermé.</p>

<p>O grand désir, ô surprise épendue<br />
O beau parcours de l'esprit enchanté<br />
O pire mal, Ô grace descendue<br />
O porte ouverte ou nul n'avait passé.</p>

<p>Je ne sais pourquoi je meurs et noie<br />
Avant d'entrer à l'éternel séjour.<br />
Je ne sais pas de qui je suis la proie.<br />
Je ne sais pas de qui je suis l'amour.</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #17 from pericat</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I.</b></p>

<p>When God slipped into Mary (between the breathe in and the breathe out, inhale, exhale, inh&mdash;whoops! hi, God!), was she then God? Did she think God thoughts, say God words? When she married Joseph, and they said the wedding words, and drank the wedding wine, did he marry God, too? Months later, in the night, with baby God snorfle sleeping two hours out of three, and Mary new mother comatose snoring on his shoulder, did he feel God still, stretched out all down his chest hip thigh, stealing the covers and tangling her fingers in his belly hair? When she kissed him, when they breathed together, did he feel God slip into him?</p>

<p><br />
<b>II.</b></p>

<p>God flows, like water down a hillside, like wine into a cup, like blood from a wound. Streambeds curve around and around, making a cradle for the water. Wine pours from the cup into the drinker, and blood carries it to every cell and sweats it out in the early morning. God flows.</p>

<p><br />
<b>III.</b></p>

<p>From baby God to toddler God, to young God, to grown God, with God in Mary and God in Joseph watching. This is how God walks. This is how God planes a table top. This is how God dresses a lamb. This is how God says good-bye to God, with a kiss and a smile, walking away down the hill.</p>

<p><br />
<b>IV.</b></p>

<p><i>Love ye one another.</i></p>

<p><i>Are you the Messiah?</i></p>

<p><i>If I were the Messiah, would you love one another?</i></p>

<p><i>If you are the Messiah, yes.</i></p>

<p><i>No ifs.</i></p>

<p><br />
<b>V.</b></p>

<p>When God inhales, one two three four, clouds poufle and pile one on another, seedpods fillip and jig, smoke curls up and up and up. When God holds, two two three four, dry scrolled leaves float from twig to turf, one by one, alone. When God exhales, three two three four, sails bell fwoom! tumbling new sailors on deck, rain spatters dust into mud, cats slit their eyes and flatten their ears. When God rests, four two three four, nothing happens.</p>

<p><br />
<b>VI.</b></p>

<p><i>Love ye one another.</i></p>

<p><i>We do not know how.</i></p>

<p><i>Breathe.</i></p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #18 from Beth Meacham</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is that usually a liberal thing, Beth? </i></p>

<p>I've never seen such a thing erupt in any right-wing venue.  It happens often on the leftist sites I frequent.   Perhaps I'm generalizing from too small a sample, though.<br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #19 from Ken MacLeod</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Fall Of Rome</strong></p>

<p>W. H. Auden</p>

<p>The piers are pummelled by the waves;<br />
In a lonely field the rain<br />
Lashes an abandoned train;<br />
Outlaws fill the mountain caves.</p>

<p>Fantastic grow the evening gowns;<br />
Agents of the Fisc pursue<br />
Absconding tax-defaulters through<br />
The sewers of provincial towns.</p>

<p>Private rites of magic send<br />
The temple prostitutes to sleep;<br />
All the literati keep<br />
An imaginary friend.</p>

<p>Cerebrotonic Cato may<br />
Extol the Ancient Disciplines,<br />
But the muscle-bound Marines<br />
Mutiny for food and pay.</p>

<p>Caesar&#8217;s double-bed is warm<br />
As an unimportatnt clerk<br />
Writes I DO NOT LIKE MY WORK<br />
On a pink official form.</p>

<p>Unendowed with wealth or pity<br />
Little birds with scarlet legs,<br />
Sitting on their speckled eggs,<br />
Eye each flu-infected city.</p>

<p>Altogether elsewhere, vast<br />
Herds of reindeer move across<br />
Miles and miles of golden moss,<br />
Silently and very fast.</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #20 from Glenn Hauman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine's a bit simpler:</p>

<p>For want of a nail<br />
the shoe was lost.<br />
For want of a shoe<br />
the horse was lost.<br />
For want of a horse<br />
the rider was lost.<br />
For want of a rider<br />
the battle was lost.<br />
For want of a battle<br />
the kingdom was lost.<br />
And all for the want<br />
of a horseshoe nail.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  1:37 PM by Glenn Hauman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #21 from Jeffrey Smith</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's lovely, pericat. I read it three times in a row because every time I finished it I wanted to go back to the beginning. Good job.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  1:41 PM by Jeffrey Smith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #22 from fidelio</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's a community over on LiveJournal called poetry_wars that have made an on-going game? exercise? of this:<br />
http://www.livejournal.com/community/poetry_wars/</p>

<p>Their information page gives their ground rules; it's open to any LiveJournal member who wants to join.</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #23 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew Arnold, from "Dover Beach"</p>

<p>Ah, love, let us be true<br />
To one another! for the world, which seems<br />
To lie before us like a land of dreams,<br />
So various, so beautiful, so new,<br />
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,</p>

<p>Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;<br />
And we are here as on a darkling plain<br />
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,<br />
Where ignorant armies clash by night. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  2:14 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #24 from Mary Dell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Aled Morgan!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  2:16 PM by Mary Dell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #25 from Michelle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>http://fnproductions.net/giggle.fs</p>

<p>It is a fake url...but it will take you to my error page.  :)  Still need to link to the whole poem and put another nifty graphic up there though.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  3:04 PM by Michelle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #26 from Clifton Royston</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aled and pericat - stunning, both poems.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  3:06 PM by Clifton Royston&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #27 from Elaine</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don McLean - American Pie</p>

<p>I met a girl who sang the blues<br />
And I asked her for some happy news,<br />
But she just smiled and turned away.<br />
I went down to the sacred store<br />
Where I'd heard the music years before.<br />
But the man there said the music wouldn't play.<br />
And in the streets the children screamed,<br />
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.<br />
But not a word was spoken.<br />
The church bells all were broken.</p>

<p>And the three men I admire most--"</p>

<p>The father, son, and the holy ghost--"<br />
They caught the last train for the coast,<br />
The day the music died.<br />
They were singing . . .</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #28 from Lori Coulson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learned Chivar dy Cabon:</p>

<p>Grant us, in our direst need, the smallest gifts:<br />
the nail of the horseshoe, the pin of the axle, the feather at the pivot point, the pebble at the mountain's peak, the kiss in despair, the one right word.</p>

<p>In darkness, understanding...</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #29 from bryan</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>'Myrddin 2003'</p>

<p>some answering Arthuriana, from quite a number of years ago:</p>

<p></p>

<p>JUDGEMENT</p>

<p> A chord of angry cursing<br />
explodes<br />
 thru the restaurant, the rose<br />
 decked tables, linen cloth<br />
 	& windows<br />
are expanding outward<br />
as if some monstrous fiery bird<br />
  opened its wrathful wings<br />
above us<br />
letting the wind of passage<br />
 gather us tightly in, gather us<br />
 in.</p>

<p> 	Nitrate Flower, Cordite Raven<br />
 Powder Rhyme; men labor<br />
 for your apotheosis<br />
 in strange lab-coated priesthoods<br />
 masked & faceless behind the mask<br />
 they are pruning a vast & burning Orchid<br />
 in the Garden of Violation</p>

<p><br />
 Technocrats, from a Star-Chamber<br />
 facing seaward<br />
 unleash their messenger pigeon<br />
 carrying to the world<br />
 the world's own bloody heart</p>

<p>   Do you think the World needs<br />
 a decryption key to read<br />
   its own encryption?<br />
 <br />
   Do you think the note made<br />
 		by adult hand slapping child's <br />
face<br />
 to simple for the World's taste?</p>

<p><br />
 What do you think<br />
 this music signifies?<br />
 These dolorous trumpets<br />
 clangor of drums & guitars<br />
 in synthesesia<br />
 Confused, you come to me to prophecy<br />
 unknowing that every vision <br />
 is also condemnation<br />
 you should do better to strangle my voice<br />
 cripple these hands<br />
 & bury my tongue beneath<br />
 mountains of indifference.<br />
 That would be your clean defence.<br />
 <br />
 Needing some random fragment to interpret<br />
 I unravel a thread from my sleave<br />
 & weave it into augury<br />
 unthreading prescience from printed sleave<br />
 as Phoenix & Dragon interweave<br />
 in the hard Leather Field.</p>

<p> Looking through the small & dusty page<br />
 I see sunlight is passing<br />
 in swirled mid-summer hordes<br />
 to the young men, proud & ruthless<br />
 the old as well, stick-figures<br />
 become the supreme art<br />
 drawn neatly to the center<br />
 for the critic's timely salute.<br />
 Along margins Black Towers<br />
 are falling & rising arbitrarily,<br />
 musical notes are mangled,<br />
 pyrotechnic flowers spout from the marker;<br />
 strange rivers & ribbons float all over<br />
 and plowshares question their purpose?<br />
 swords express their excitement!<br />
 caps conform to set limits<br />
 in infinite undeviate rows............</p>

<p> Fear in the eyes<br />
 the slouching walk<br />
 downcast to their daily<br />
 lives people stumble;<br />
 dispirited attacks in dissident papers<br />
 over flat bread & tea</p>

<p> There is nothing to be done today<br />
 & the same tomorrow</p>

<p> Among a certain set of friends who deplore<br />
 the fashionable<br />
 to deplore<br />
 We explore intellectual alternatives<br />
 of frightening events<br />
 from sloth & denial<br />
 truth assumes a pliant shape<br />
 in arguments between Caffeine Geeks<br />
 who hold the sundial's shadow as their own<br />
 thin & empty shadows</p>

<p> Mordant, I chuckle<br />
 lighting the rough-hewn pipe<br />
 to puff Opiate vapour<br />
 in clouds among<br />
 memorized opinions</p>

<p> The mists unwreath<br />
 the crystal ball blossoms<br />
 I see my voice move forth<br />
 tendriled thru a golden trumpet<br />
 against the frost plashed window<br />
 of clear vision</p>

<p> A Judgement I bring the Men of Valour<br />
 & the Judgement is Arthur risen<br />
 A Judgement I bring the Men of War<br />
 & the Judgement is the Prince of Peace<br />
 A Judgement I bring the Men of Power<br />
 & the Judgement is Arthur Triumphant.</p>

<p> in shabby hovels of the broken cities<br />
 Vico's theories are borne out<br />
 & history is rounded <br />
 to the circumference of an eye.<br />
</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #30 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No man is an Island, entire of itself;<br />
every man is a piece of the Continent,<br />
a part of the main.<br />
If a clod be washed away by the sea,<br />
 Europe is the less, <br />
as well as if a promontory were,<br />
as well as if a manor of thy friends<br />
 or of thine own were.</p>

<p>Any man's death diminishes me,<br />
because I am involved in Mankind;<br />
and therefore never send to know<br />
 for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. </p>

<p>(given that an entire city has been<br />
washed away by the sea, <br />
this seems doubly appropriate)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  4:51 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #31 from Greg London</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Bush sending to "know" for <br />
whom the evacuation bell tolled<br />
being the second on-the-mark reference).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  4:53 PM by Greg London&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #32 from pericat</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeffrey Smith and Clifton Royston: why, thank you very much!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 12, 2005  4:56 PM by pericat&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #33 from Glenn Hauman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course:</p>

<p>Blow, blow, thou winter wind,<br />
Thou art not so unkind<br />
As man's ingratitude;<br />
Thy tooth is not so keen<br />
Because thou art not seen,<br />
Although thy breath be rude.<br />
Heigh-ho! sing heigh-ho! unto the green holly:<br />
Most friendship is feigning, most loving mere folly:<br />
Then, heigh-ho! the holly!<br />
This life is most jolly.</p>

<p>Freeze, freeze, thou bitter sky,<br />
Thou dost not bite so nigh<br />
As benefits forgot:<br />
Though thou the waters warp,<br />
Thy sting is not so sharp<br />
As friend remember'd not.<br />
Heigh-ho! sing heigh-ho! unto the green holly:<br />
Most friendship is feigning, most loving mere folly:<br />
Then, heigh-ho! the holly!<br />
This life is most jolly.</p>

<p>--Shakespeare</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #34 from Stephen Sample</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is technically a song, but it's been going through my head...</p>

<blockquote>By the time we're done with dancing,<br />
Elsewhere, darling, you'll be glancing,<br />
And the night's a river-torrent tearing us apart.<br />
Merely melody entwined us,<br />
Easily the ties that bind us<br />
Break in fibrillations of the heart.<br />
Don't cry out or cling in terror;<br />
Darling, that's a fatal error:<br />
Clinging to somebody you thought you knew was yours.<br />
Dispossession by attrition is a permanent condition<br />
That the wretched modern world endures.</blockquote>

<blockquote>You drift away; you're carried by a stream.<br />
Refugee, a wanderer you roam;<br />
You lose your way, so it will come to seem:<br />
No place in particular is home.<br />
You glance away, your house has disappeared,<br />
The sweater you've been knitting has unpurled.<br />
You live adrift, and everything you feared<br />
Comes to you in this undoing world.</blockquote>

<blockquote>Copper-plated, nailed together, buffeted by ocean weather,<br />
Stands the Queen of Exiles, and our mother she may be.<br />
Hollow-breasted, broken-hearted, watching for her dear departed,<br />
For her children cast upon the sea.<br />
At her back the great idyllic land of Justice<br />
For exilic peoples ponders making justice private property.<br />
Darling, never dream another woman might<br />
Have been your mother:<br />
Someday you may be a refugee.</blockquote>

<blockquote>A refugee, who's running from the wars,<br />
Hiding from the fire-bombs they've hurled;<br />
Eternally, a person out-of-doors,<br />
Desperate in this undoing world.</blockquote>

<blockquote>Mother, for your derelicted<br />
Children from your womb evicted,<br />
Grant us shelter, harbor, solace, safety;<br />
Let us in!<br />
Let us tell you where we traveled,<br />
How our hopes, our lives unraveled,<br />
How unwelcome everywhere we've been.</blockquote>
<p>An Undoing World, by Tony Kushner (learned from the Klezmatics)</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #35 from Naomi Chana</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Manicheans did no idols make<br />
Without themselves, nor worship gods of wood,<br />
Yet idols did in their Ideas take,<br />
And figured Christ as on the cross he stood.<br />
Thus did they when they earnestly did pray<br />
Till clearer Faith this idol took away.</p>

<p>We seem more inwardly to know the Son<br />
And see our own salvation in his blood<br />
When this is said, we think the work is done<br />
And with the Father hold our portion good,<br />
As if true life within these words were laid<br />
For him that in life never words obeyed.</p>

<p>If this be safe, it is a pleasant way,<br />
The Cross of Christ is very easily borne;<br />
But six days' labour makes the sabbath day,<br />
The flesh is dead before grace can be born,<br />
The heart must first bear witness with the book,<br />
The earth must burn, ere we for Christ can look.</p>

<p>[Fulke Greville, from <i>Caelica</i>.  I am not myself Christian, but I could wish for more Christianity and less idolatry in all this.]</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #36 from CaseyL</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From "The Wind in the Willows":</p>

<p>Lest the awe should dwell,<br />
And turn your frolic to fret;<br />
You shall look on my power at the helping hour - <br />
But then you shall forget! </p>

<p>Lest limbs be reddened and rent.<br />
I spring the trap that is set.<br />
As I loose the snare you may glimpse me there-<br />
For surely you shall forget! </p>

<p>Helper and healer, I cheer<br />
Small waifs in the woodland wet.<br />
Strays I find in it, wounds I bind in it:<br />
Bidding them all forget!</p>

<p>I first read this poem, or a part of it, in "Five Smooth Stones."  </p>

<p>What really got me about this was the idea of a benevolent wood-god who rescues animals from traps and trouble - and then gives them the gift of forgetfulness so they don't feel small in the face of his power.</p>]]>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #37 from Graham Sleight</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I'm late here, and I could quote the whole thing, but here's a bit from Auden's "Out on the lawn I lie in bed":</p>

<p>Soon, soon, through dykes of our content<br />
The crumpling flood will force a rent<br />
And, taller than a tree,<br />
Hold sudden death before our eyes<br />
Whose river dreams long hid the size<br />
And vigours of the sea.</p>

<p>But when the waters make retreat<br />
And through the black mud first the wheat<br />
In shy green stalks appears,<br />
When stranded monsters gasping lie,<br />
And sounds of riveting terrify<br />
Their whorled unsubtle ears,</p>

<p>May these delights we dread to lose,<br />
This privacy, need no excuse<br />
But to that strength belong,<br />
As through a child"s rash happy cries<br />
The drowned parental voices rise<br />
In unlamenting song.</p>

<p>After discharges of alarm<br />
All unpredicted let them calm<br />
The pulse of nervous nations,<br />
Forgive the murderer in his glass,<br />
Tough in their patience to surpass<br />
The tigress her swift motion.</p>

<p>On GWB's response, I could also suggest "Musee des Beaux Arts":</p>

<p>About suffering they were never wrong, <br />
The Old Masters; how well, they understood <br />
Its human position; how it takes place <br />
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along; <br />
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting <br />
For the miraculous birth, there always must be <br />
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating <br />
On a pond at the edge of the wood: <br />
They never forgot <br />
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course <br />
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot <br />
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse <br />
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree. <br />
In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away <br />
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may <br />
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry, <br />
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone <br />
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green <br />
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen <br />
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky, <br />
had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 13, 2005  6:44 AM by Graham Sleight&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #38 from Laurel</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From "The Masque of Plenty" by Rudyard Kipling</p>

<p><i>SCENE - The wooded heights of Simla. The Incarnation of the Government of India in the raiment of the Angel of Plenty sings, to pianoforte accompaniment:</i></p>

<p>"How sweet is the shepherd's sweet life!<br />
From the dawn to the even he strays - <br />
He shall follow his sheep all the day<br />
And his tongue shall be filled with praise.<br />
(adagio dim.) Filled with praise!"</p>

<p>(largendo con sp.) Now this is the position,<br />
Go make an inquisition<br />
Into their real condition<br />
As swiftly as ye may.<br />
(p)Ay, paint our swarthy billions<br />
The richest of vermilions<br />
Ere two well-led cotillions<br />
Have danced themselves away.</p>

<p>.......</p>

<p><i>Triumphal return to Simla of the Investigators, attired after the manner of Dionysus, leading a pet tiger-cub in wreaths of rhubarb-leaves, symbolical of India under medical treatment. They sing:</i></p>

<p>We have seen, we have written - behold it, the proof of our manifold toil!<br />
In their hosts they assembled and told it - the tale of the Sons of the Soil.<br />
We have said of the Sickness "Where is it?" and of Death "It is far from our ken,"<br />
We have paid a particular visit to the affluent children of men.<br />
We have trodden the mart and the well-curb - we have stooped to the bield and the byre;<br />
And the King may the forces of Hell curb, for the People have all they desire!</p>

<p>.......</p>

<p><i>HIRED BAND, brasses only, full chorus:</i></p>

<p>God bless the Squire<br />
And all his rich relations<br />
Who teach us poor people<br />
We eat our proper rations - <br />
We eat our proper rations,<br />
In spite of inundations,<br />
Malarial exhalations,<br />
And casual starvations,<br />
We have, we have, they say we have - <br />
We <i>have</i> our proper rations!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 13, 2005  6:50 AM by Laurel&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #39 from Dave Luckett</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Sidney Bechet</p>

<p>That note you hold, narrowing and rising, shakes<br />
Like New Orleans reflected on the water,<br />
And in all ears appropriate falsehood wakes,</p>

<p>Building for some a legendary Quarter<br />
Of balconies, flower-baskets and quadrilles<br />
Everyone making love and going shares - </p>

<p>Oh, play that thing! Mute glorious Storeyvilles<br />
Others may license, grouping round their chairs<br />
Sporting-house girls like circus tigers (priced</p>

<p>Far above rubies) to pretend their fads,<br />
While scholars <i>manques</i> nod around unnoticed<br />
Wrapped up in personnels like old plaids.</p>

<p>On me your voice falls as they say love should,<br />
Like an enormous yes. My Crescent City<br />
Is where your speech alone is understood,</p>

<p>And greeted as the natural noise of good,<br />
Scattering long-haired grief and scored pity.</p>

<p>- Philip Larkin</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 13, 2005  7:19 AM by Dave Luckett&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #40 from abi</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flying low over the city, heading<br />Dictated by the photo op.  They need a strong<br />Light on the thoughtful face.  <em>Can you see<br />Through your reflection in the window, Mr President?<br />Never mind, sir.  We'll brief you later.</em><br /><br /> Others, unwatched, saw the flood<br /> Clearer and from closer in<br /> Sitting on their roofs, or stranded<br /> On whatever high ground offered refuge.<br /> <em>Hush, baby, it'll be all right.  Someone'll come.</em><br /> <br /> The planet viewed the water on TV<br /> Seeing desolation manmade or natural<br /> The wrath of god or Gaia<br /> According to its faith and politics.<br /> <em>It's all their fault</em>, or <em>Can we help?</em><br /> <br /> They say the smoothest water<br /> Makes the truest mirror.<br /> Perhaps it does, if what we seek<br /> Is an image of the watching face.<br /> <em>And the spirit of God moved upon the waters.</em><br /></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 13, 2005  1:29 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #41 from Michelle</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Water, water, every where,<br />
And all the boards did shrink ;<br />
Water, water, every where,<br />
Nor any drop to drink.</p>

<p>The very deep did rot : O Christ !<br />
That ever this should be !<br />
Yea, slimy things did crawl with legs<br />
Upon the slimy sea.</p>

<p>About, about, in reel and rout<br />
The death-fires danced at night ;<br />
The water, like a witch's oils,<br />
Burnt green, and blue and white.</p>

<p>--The Rime of the Ancient Mariner</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 13, 2005  5:04 PM by Michelle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #42 from flaring</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help is coming<br />
Help is coming... one day late<br />
One day late<br />
After you've given up and all is gone<br />
Help is coming... one day late</p>

<p>From the song <i>One Day Late</i> on Sam Phillips' album <i>A Boot and a Shoe</i></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 13, 2005  7:00 PM by flaring&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #43 from cd</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two sets of lyrics, here; both by <a href="http://www.vnvnation.com" rel="nofollow">VNV Nation</a>.</p>

<p>Sever the line to the guilty past, to the ones who brought us nothing<br />
Spoke of futures brave and proud and brought only hate and war.<br />
Lined the roads with hollow praise. Marked the land with paper statues.<br />
Shadows fell on their futile ways and then there was nothing more.</p>

<p>From <i>Solitary</i>, and</p>

<p>And one day I woke to find the future had no place for me<br />
I was unwanted in a world that with my hands I'd helped build<br />
where once was honesty and pride I now stand broken and alone<br />
just a shadow of what I was meant to be</p>

<p>From <i>Holding On</i>.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 14, 2005  4:22 AM by cd&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>from &quot;The Shield of Achilles&quot; -- comment #44 from Allan Beatty</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when the strife is fierce, the suffering long,<br />
steals on the ear the distant triumph song,<br />
and hearts are brave again, and arms are strong.</p>

<p>From a funeral hymn by William W. How, 1864.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 14, 2005 10:09 PM by Allan Beatty&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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