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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #1 from David Goldfarb</title>
         <description>comment from David Goldfarb on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Spider-Man", darn it, with a hyphen and a capital M.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  4:28 AM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #2 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  6:19 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #3 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
         <description>comment from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect to the estimable David Goldfarb:</p>

<p>Who cares?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  8:14 AM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #4 from JamesG</title>
         <description>comment from JamesG on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who cares?</i></p>

<p>Spider-Man?  Other than that, I can only picture a pale pock faced youth sitting in a basement surrounded by every Spider-Man Comic, graphic novel, book, toy, etc.  (and, yes there is a high probability that it is merely a flashback)silently seething as he tries to get past the little M in his heroes name. :)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  8:28 AM by JamesG&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #5 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My computer spell checker on that project kept trying to change the hero's name to Spider-Person.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005 10:02 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #6 from Steve Eley</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Eley on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Jim news, although it's fairly minor compared to all of his other accomplishments, he and Debra Doyle also have the feature story in this week's <a href="http://escape.extraneous.org" rel="nofollow">Escape Pod</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005 11:21 AM by Steve Eley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #7 from Larry Brennan</title>
         <description>comment from Larry Brennan on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sure that Arachno-Dude's name was right in the book and all of the (limited) drafts. I suspect Mr. Macdonald has been beating interstitial capitals out of his name since he learned to spell it and is, therefore, sensitive to the issue. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005 11:37 AM by Larry Brennan&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #8 from Julia Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Julia Jones on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes. I finally got to meet Yog in person at Writer's Weekend last weekend. I was handed a copy of a most magnificent book to admire. And when I put the book down and rested my head on the table because I was helpless with laughter, Debra, who was also there, said, quite accurately, "Chapter 34 strikes again."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005 11:45 AM by Julia Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #9 from David Goldfarb</title>
         <description>comment from David Goldfarb on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill:  Is not this community out of all on the planet one where pet peeves touching correct grammar, spelling, and typography may be aired and respected?  Which is to say:  <i>I</i> care.  </p>

<p>(I suspect you may find some people at <a href="http://www.whiterose.org/howlingcurmudgeons/" rel="nofollow">Howling Curmudgeons</a> who do too.)</p>

<p>To paraphrase Data:  "One is his name, the other is not."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  1:13 PM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #10 from TexAnne</title>
         <description>comment from TexAnne on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Steve Eley news, he's the one reading the story. Quite well, too. If only I could get it to download to my computer, thence to be enshrined on my iPod.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  1:32 PM by TexAnne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #11 from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey</title>
         <description>comment from Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:</p>

<p>I do respect your opinion, and your towering knowledege of comics.  I can't bring myself to care about the hyphen in SpiderHyphenMan.  I am, however, open to persuasive arguments.</p>

<p>My own hot buttons are "nucular" and "hacker."  Like most people around me, I am likely to say "hot water heater," but I am aware of the redundancy.  Teresa has taught me that "supersede" is more correct than "supercede," though I was betrayed by a dictionary long ago.  She has also reinforced my convictions about the correctness of the Oxford Comma (with some help from my parents, Ayn Rand and God).</p>

<p>I am neutral on the question of "Batman" versus "The Batman."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  1:59 PM by Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #12 from Steve Eley</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Eley on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TexAnne wrote:<br />
<i>In Steve Eley news, he's the one reading the story. Quite well, too. If only I could get it to download to my computer, thence to be enshrined on my iPod.</i></p>

<p>Thanks, Anne!  I won't try to turn this into a podcasting thread, but as a quick aside, if you're having technical problems (and this goes for anyone) please <a href="mailto:editor@extraneous.org" rel="nofollow">drop us an e-mail</a> any time.  Losing listeners because they don't like our content is fair.  Losing listeners because the technology is a pain in the ass is unacceptable, and we'll do our best to prevent it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  2:05 PM by Steve Eley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #13 from Steve Eley</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Eley on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Higgins:<br />
<i>My own hot buttons are "nucular" and "hacker."</i></p>

<p>When I was but a wee lad dialing into BBSes, I used to pronounce "sysop" with a long "i," even after I learned it was wrong.  The word always reminded me of "Cyclops," and I wanted to celebrate the similarity.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  2:09 PM by Steve Eley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #14 from Greg Morrow</title>
         <description>comment from Greg Morrow on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill:</p>

<p>Though I don't speak for all Howling Curmudgeons, I will have to chime in on David's side: It's "Spider-Man", one hyphen, two capital letters, and it matters.</p>

<p>To be perhaps a little grandiose about it, I think that it's a basic human dignity to be called what you choose to be called.  Mormons are, for example, Christians, because they call themselves Christians, even if most other Christians would call them non-Christian.  </p>

<p>My friend Pete Vonder Haar's last name is another example: If you don't spell it with that particular spacing and capitalization, you've simply gotten it wrong, and that is disrespectful to him.</p>

<p>Extrapolating the principal to fictional characters is admittedly more marginal, but even as the claim to human dignity wanes, the call of orthodox orthography remains at least as strong.</p>

<p>Plus, it's a fact thing; David and I happen to be expert comics nerds, so we know certain details, which, when wrong, stand out to us.  A beam jockey would notice and care if someone mistypes some fact about the Main Injector just the same, I would expect.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  3:45 PM by Greg Morrow&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #15 from Jonathan Vos Post</title>
         <description>comment from Jonathan Vos Post on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thing that musical group "The The" never became superheroes, or spawned a graphic novel. Maybe because their name is so hard to properly google.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  4:12 PM by Jonathan Vos Post&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #16 from Steve Eley</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Eley on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JVP:<br />
<i>Good thing that musical group "The The" never became superheroes, or spawned a graphic novel. Maybe because their name is so hard to properly google.</i></p>

<p>It also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_The" rel="nofollow">breaks Wikipedia</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  4:17 PM by Steve Eley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #17 from Steve Eley</title>
         <description>comment from Steve Eley on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Oh, wait, it <i>doesn't</i> break Wikipedia, that was a sporadic server error.  My bad.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  4:21 PM by Steve Eley&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #18 from CHip</title>
         <description>comment from CHip on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Eley: <i>When I was but a wee lad dialing into BBSes, I used to pronounce "sysop" with a long "i,"</i></p>

<p>I've heard of under-read D&D'ers who speak of "die-tees" and "geeses".</p>

<p>Given the expression in that photo, it's almost certain they're doing something wicked; given Esther, my question is whether the proper response would be a howl of anguish or a butterfly net.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  7:37 PM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #19 from S. Dawson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(with some help from my parents, Ayn Rand and God)</i></p>

<p>You did that on purpose, right? I've never seen the potential confusion between the appositive and listing functions of commas demonstrated quite so well, though I could've done without the mental image of the Annunciation of Ayn Rand.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  8:27 PM by S. Dawson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #20 from John M. Ford</title>
         <description>comment from John M. Ford on 16.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>... the Annunciation of Ayn Rand.</i></p>

<p>"Please, lady, no smoking next to the manger."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 16, 2005  9:21 PM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #21 from David Goldfarb</title>
         <description>comment from David Goldfarb on 17.Jun.05</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S. Dawson:  Of course it was done on purpose; this phrase is <i>the</i> classic argument in favor of the serial comma.  Originally it was a book dedication -- at least supposedly, as nobody I know has ever managed to track down the title and author of the book.</p>

<p>Rob Hansen once spotted a TV listing in <b>The Times</b> of London which contained a reference to "Nelson Mandela, an 800-year-old demigod and a dildo collector."  This is more baroque than "my parents, Ayn Rand and God" but has the advantage of being known to have really been published.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 17, 2005  5:13 AM by David Goldfarb&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Rabbit&apos;s friends and relations -- comment #22 from S. Dawson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for introducing me to it; I'd never seen it before, but no, I didn't seriously think it might have been accidental. </p>

<p><i>"Please, lady, no smoking next to the manger."</i></p>

<p>Yeah, something like that. Think a medieval altarpiece with a black-and-white photo of Rand's head (preferably oversized) and a cigarette mentally Photoshopped in.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 17, 2005  7:29 AM by S. Dawson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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