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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #1 from Alan Hamilton</title>
         <description>comment from Alan Hamilton on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also of note is the mustachioed police officer that keeps stalking around.  He looks a bit suspicious of the camera.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  1:25 AM by Alan Hamilton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #2 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He does. And what is that kid up to?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  1:33 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #3 from elise</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Ford and I find "Fights of Nations" most perplexing. He hazards the guess that they mean to say "Americans are harmonious."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  3:18 AM by elise&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #4 from Mitch Wagner</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some questions regarding Part One of "Fight of Nations":</p>

<p>1) The girl in the white dress is completely useless in a fight, isn't she?<br />
1a) Unless you need someone to dance around and flap her arms -- in which case, send her an urgent IM.<br />
1b) Why didn't she bean one of the guys with that big flowerpot?</p>

<p>2) I can't figure out WHAT is going on in "Our Hebrew Friends," but I believe this may be a portrayal of a harmful ethnic stereotype.<br />
2a) Maybe the guy in the cop's uniform is actually being Bar Mitzvahed, and the other guy is his uncle, and the other guy is slipping the kid a twenty and telling the kid, "Spend it on yourself -- don't tell your Mom and Dad."<br />
2b) And then they all dance the hora. <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  4:01 AM by Mitch Wagner&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #5 from Niall</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the spontaneous gesture from the black guy who pauses to look at the camera, and loses his hat as a result.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  5:37 AM by Niall&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #6 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm getting "Temporary file open error. Display failed" on nearly all of these links.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  8:38 AM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #7 from Adrienne</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, good. Someone else is getting that error message. I thought it was just me.</p>

<p>(Which isn't to say that I think it's good that Mr. Macdonald is getting an error message--just that's it's nice to not be alone.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  9:01 AM by Adrienne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #8 from Eloise Mason</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the error too - but if you go to the link for the main page, and search on 'flatiron,' it takes you to the same URL, without the error message.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  9:45 AM by Eloise Mason&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #9 from India</title>
         <description>comment from India on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the error message, too, and hacked back the URL to get to the films. Go to <a href="http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/paprquery.html" rel="nofollow">http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/paprquery.html</a> and search for Flatiron.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003 10:05 AM by India&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #10 from Anne</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Fights of Nations, Pt. II": Woo! Buck dancing *and* a cakewalk! I recognized the soloist's style immediately, from documentaries like "No Maps on My Taps"--it's amazing how the tradition has evolved while still remaining itself. </p>

<p>Someday, some enterprising young dance historian in need of a diss topic is going to go through that collection and figure out exactly how much Astaire absorbed from the African-American tap dancers of similar vintage. IIRC, he was in vaudeville about that time, and on Broadway shortly thereafter. </p>

<p>Also: watching the soloist to the tune of Vivaldi's "Domine fili unigenite" is really, really funny. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003 11:13 AM by Anne&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #11 from Mitch Wagner</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've watched the two short films twice, and will probably watch them a couple of times more. They're hypnotic. </p>

<p>There is something about these very old movies -- those aren't costumes those people are wearing, it's their actual clothes. I'm convinced that there is a naturalness to people wearing their own natural style of clothes that not even the best actor can reproduce. This isn't a stage set we're watching -- nobody's going to yell CUT and then all the actors mill about and the stars go back to their trailers to check their e-mail and everybody pulls their cell phones out of pockets and checks voicemail. This is real life, people wearing their own clothes and feeling natural in them -- TNH nailed it with the observation about the hats but of course that's only part of it. These people wear these clothes every day, they know how to move in them so they don't pull or bind, and they know where the pockets are and know what's in those pockets (or, at least they're very familiar with rifling through those pockets looking for stuff.... ). And what's in those pockets isn't, as I said, cell phones, and it isn't Palm Pilots or even car keys, either -- it's wallets containing large-sized bills. </p>

<p>To some extent, it's a blessing that there are so few films this old, because when we do encounter one, it's magic, as close to time travel as we're likely to ever come. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003 12:20 PM by Mitch Wagner&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #12 from Carlos</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Fights of Nations" is screaming to be dubbed.</p>

<p>Taste would be beside the point.</p>

<p>C.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  2:48 PM by Carlos&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #13 from Christopher</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Library of Congress site has an amazing amount of really great stuff on it. </p>

<p>I particularly like this: http://www.loc.gov/folklife/ndl.html (Here's my attempt at making that a live link, which I'm not sure if I know how to do in this commenting system: <a>http://www.loc.gov/folklife/ndl.html</a>)</p>

<p>Among other things, it's introduced me to the bluesman Buster Ezell; they've got a couple of tunes by him that are classic time-capsule outsider art. </p>

<p>Buster Ezell, "Obey Your Ration Laws": http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/ftvbib:@field(DOCID+7052a1)<br />
Buster Ezell, "Roosevelt & Hitler (Strange Things Are Happening In This Land" (featuring the priceless lyric "He's treating us so mean with his dreadful submarines."): http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?ftvbib:79:./temp/~ammem_rnVF::</p>

<p>Similarly, there's Deacon Sam Jackson's belligerent anti-Japanese gospel song "(If I Had My Way I'd) Tear Tokyo Down":<br />
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?ftvbib:93:./temp/~ammem_rnVF::</p>

<p>In case those links don't work, all three of those are from "'Now What a Time': Blues, Gospel, and the Fort Valley Music Festivals, 1938-1943." <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  3:32 PM by Christopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #14 from Adam Lipkin</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn't watch the Fights Of Nations trilogy, not having the bandwidth, but I watched the Flatiron one, with the wind and the hats. That whole area by there up through the park (Madison Square Pk.) into the side streets east of it-- particularly Madison Avenue and 24th street-- are just filled overflowing with wind, from seemingly every direction at once. 24th street especially, probably because of the buildings funneling it. Awful during the rain, renders umbrellas useless (not that they're much good in anything more than a slight breeze anyway).</p>

<p>I was in the Flatiron building last week, for a training course. I was struck by the elevators-- mirrored all over, with an iron scrollwork style of thing in front of the mirrors. And a domed ceiling to top (ha) it all off. Very very nice. Also the up-to-date button panel, much better than the dingy 1960s-techno that we've got here. Also, those elevators didn't echo with the sounds of metal smacking against metal like mine do.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  3:40 PM by Adam Lipkin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #15 from Kip W</title>
         <description>comment from Kip W on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any link you can make to a specific item in American Memory is, like the real thing, sadly temporary. You can give a link to the <a href="http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/mdbquery.html" rel="nofollow">search page</a> and tell what to look for, and let people scamper and frolic among the stacks. Heck, that's the best thing to do anyway. Go to the sound recordings and listen to "Uncle Josh." Go to the sheet music and look at the works of "Blind Tom Bethune." See if they have stereoscope slides of your home town; or panoramic photos. See the Future of San Francisco (not this one; some other future). Read Leonard Bernstein's lecture notes. Or vaudeville scripts. Or other wonderful stuff I can't even think of now. One of the great sites.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  3:48 PM by Kip W&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #16 from Kip W</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technical note: when viewing an MPEG, I can also watch it backwards with ctrl + left arrow, or see it slightly faster in either direction by holding down an arrow key. Much fun ensues!</p>

<p>A favorite Flatiron story is that when an entrepreneur wanted to make a "vending machine" to sell gum for a penny, the gum manufacturer doubted people would put money in a machine. As a test, they went to the windy area near the Flatiron and put up a box with a slot, and the legend "Put a Penny in the Slot and Hear the Winds Blow." People filled it with money so fast, the police came around. The manufacturer (I think it was Frank H. Fleer, but I'm too lazy to go look) was sold.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  3:56 PM by Kip W&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #17 from Christopher</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured out how to create permanent URLs for at least those songs I posted above. If you take this:<br />
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/ftvbib:@field(DOCID+7052a1)<br />
and swap out 7052a1 with the catalog number used to name the mp3, you can link to any page in that section of the LOC. Something similar probably works for the rest of the site.</p>

<p>Here's the corrected URLs, if anyone's interested.<br />
Buster Ezell, "Obey Your Ration Laws": http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/ftvbib:@field(DOCID+7052a1)<br />
Buster Ezell, "Roosevelt & Hitler (Strange Things Are Happening In This Land": http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/ftvbib:@field(DOCID+7053a1)<br />
Deacon Sam Jackson's "(If I Had My Way I'd) Tear Tokyo Down": http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/ftvbib:@field(DOCID+7051b1)</p>

<p>While I was figuring that out, I ran across another of Buster's songs, in which either the original recording medium has either deteriorated so badly it's not playing at the right speed, or Buster's guitar is way, way out of tune - "Do Right By My Country": http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/ftvbib:@field(DOCID+7046a1)<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  4:54 PM by Christopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #18 from Graydon</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was particularly impressed by the ease, facility, and naturalness of everyone's elbow dodging.  (The elbow of the arm placing the hand on the hat, I mean.)</p>

<p>And truly, the past is another country.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  6:12 PM by Graydon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #19 from Seth Johnson</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American Memory film collection is a fantastic place to browse around. </p>

<p>One of my favorite discoveries is a series of early industrial films made at Westinghouse plants in Pittsburgh, downloaded when I was in search of reference on period machinery. </p>

<p>While watching "Panorama of Machine Co. aisle, Westinghouse works", an amazing overhead tracking shot taken high above the factory floor, I realized that I was watching a time before the assembly line--a chaotic plethora of tasks being done in a seemingly random cheek-to-jowl layout. Workers pushed, pulled, carryed, and hammered away, but where parts came from and how they were proceeding toward a finished product is far from obvious.</p>

<p>Oh, and many of the factory workers are wearing hats.</p>

<p>Truly a different time, and I'm incredibly grateful that some of it has been preserved and made available. (Of course, I'll still join the grumbling about how difficult it is to link to specific items in the collection...)<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  6:42 PM by Seth Johnson&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #20 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I've got the expiring-link problem licked. The LoC has a helpful explanation of this in their FAQ. If you want to link to a specific item, you do "view source" and scroll to the bottom of the code. There you'll find the URL for the permanent link, bracketed by characters that for some reason cannot be displayed here. (On the left, it's open caret, exclamation point, hyphen, hyphen; on the right it's hyphen, hyphen, close caret.) So far the revised links are working. Let me know if they stop.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  7:13 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #21 from Glen Fisher</title>
         <description>comment from Glen Fisher on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch Wagner wrote:<br />
<i>There is something about these very old movies -- those aren't costumes those people are wearing, it's their actual clothes. I'm convinced that there is a naturalness to people wearing their own natural style of clothes that not even the best actor can reproduce.</i></p>

<p>You're not the only one to notice this. Some time back, my local SCA group was helping out at a community college "Renaissance Night". As I was going from somewhere to somewhere else--in SCA garb, of course--I got stopped and asked whether I was from the SCA. When I said yes, the response was essentially, "I knew it!" What gave it away? It seems that the person who asked had noticed that the SCA people were treating the period attire as clothing, as nothing more than what they'd happened to pull out of the closet that evening, while everyone else treated it as costume, something strange and uncomfortable, and the difference was clearly visible.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  7:22 PM by Glen Fisher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #22 from Mitch Wagner</title>
         <description>comment from Mitch Wagner on 17.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has taken me this long to figure out that the woman whose skirt gets blown up is the whole point of the second video. I expect people actually found that titillating when they watched the movie. </p>

<p>Of course, I found that mildly amusing but by no means titillating -- even if that woman took off her dress entirely and stood in her undergarments, she'd STILL be extremely modestly dressed by 21st Century standards. Whatever entertainment there is in her getting her skirt blown up comes from her startlement rather than anything else. </p>

<p>What's fascinating to me in that video is the stuff that the 1901 audience would've considered barely noteworthy: the people walking around, their clothes, the horses and carts and the fact that horses and carts in those days were still practical means of transportation. </p>

<p>Audiences back then were more patient about setups -- I doubt an audience of today would sit through a full minute-and-a-half of nothing much going on on a city street, waiting for a pratfall, but that was the language of film in that day, you showed a lot of setup that isn't necessary -- or even tolerable -- today. We talk about the MTV generation, lots of quick cuts, I think it's just because we've all gotten more fluent in the language of film and don't need to be spoken to v-e-r-y  s-l-o-w-l-y  for fear that we will miss something. You see this in old TV shows from the 50s: the hero looks at a clock, puts on his coat and hat, walks out the door, shuts and locks it, walks in the car, gets in the car, starts it (close-up of the hand turning the key), pulls away from the curb, drives down the road.... etc. etc. etc. until he arrives at his enemy's office. Today, they'd just show the hero looking at his watch, exiting the scene, and then cut to the hero storming into his enemy's office -- who needs all that intermediate stuff? Who cares if the hero drove? He had to get there somehow.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 17, 2003  8:26 PM by Mitch Wagner&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Teresa sez: (On the left, it's open caret, exclamation point, hyphen, hyphen; on the right it's hyphen, hyphen, close caret.) </i></p>

<p>Those are the html tags for starting and ending comments; they and anything in between don't show up on the finished page.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 18, 2003  9:44 AM by Adam Lipkin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Teresa sez: (On the left, it's open caret, exclamation point, hyphen, hyphen; on the right it's hyphen, hyphen, close caret.)</i></p>

<p><i>Those are the html tags for starting and ending comments; they and anything in between don't show up on the finished page.</i></p>

<p>Someone else mentioned this awhile ago, but it's probably worth mentioning again. You can write the brackets in text by using character codes:<br />
&amp;#60; or &amp;lt; for &#60;9(less than symbol)<br />
&amp;#62; or &amp;gt; for &#62; (greater than symbol)</p>

<p>You can see <a href="http://www.cookwood.com/html4_4e/examples/appendices/symbols2.html" rel="nofollow">this site</a> and <a href="http://www.cookwood.com/html4_4e/examples/appendices/symbols1.html" rel="nofollow">this site</a> for more.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 18, 2003  1:27 PM by Michelle&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #25 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both.</p>

<p>I accept the fact that Adam can tell exactly how much I know about HTML.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 18, 2003  3:49 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #26 from Kim</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't get to any LoC pages :(  When I try to go to www.loc.gov I get errors - and interestingly enough when I just typed loc.gov I got redirected to loc.gov.org instead.  Bizarre.  I'll keep trying.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 18, 2003 10:38 PM by Kim&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 19, 2003  8:06 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #28 from CHip</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graydon: interesting point about the elbow dodging; it sugggests that there were plenty of other windy corners for people to have the moves down pat, or perhaps this was mostly regular traffic. (Plausible, wrt T's point in a previous post about most of the people in the city knowing their way/spot and finding the lost outsider annoying; go through the same bit of turbulence twice a day for most of a year and you'll pick up a twitch to cope with it.) But did you notice how people behaved toward the camera? A number turned to look as they were walking, and a few paused -- somebody cranking a box on a stand would have been slightly novel even then -- but <b>nobody</b> mugged, which I doubt would be true any time in the last few decades.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 20, 2003 10:55 AM by CHip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #29 from Mitch Wagner</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHip beat me to it - These people don't know how to act in front of a camera. Today, we all know that if an amateur person is taking a picture, everyone else should walk around them so as not to spoil the shot. If a professional is shooting video -- like on the TV news -- you should stand in the direction the camera is pointing and wave excitedly and mouth greetings to your watching friends and family. These people haven't figured that out yet. </p>

<p>I wonder who was the first person to make bunny-ears with their fingers while standing behind a sibling while both of them were being photographed?<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 26, 2003  8:50 PM by Mitch Wagner&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #30 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 26.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't know who was the first person to do it, but here's <a href="http://www.theater-schauspiel-oper.de/commedia.html" rel="nofollow">the earliest instance of bunny-ears in a group shot</a> that I know of.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 26, 2003  9:34 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ho ho. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  7, 2003  2:28 PM by Mitch Wagner&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>At the foot of the Flatiron Building -- comment #32 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on  7.Oct.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I think I get points for coming up with that.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October  7, 2003  2:45 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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