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      <description>Do-it-yourself summer projects for the differently-illuminated: 1. This one's a washout. The people at Time Travelers say they can teach...</description>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #1 from rea</title>
         <description>comment from rea on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response to the "Time Travelers" is much the same as with those TV ads for clairvoyants.  If they really can foresee the future, why bother with advertizing?  Why don't they access their future corporate records, and call up those who, according to the future records, purchased their services? </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003 11:12 AM by rea&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #2 from Alan Bostick</title>
         <description>comment from Alan Bostick on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's like those signboards advertising a Psychic Fair that pop up in downtown Berkeley every week:  Why do the psychics need material signs to tell them where the fair is?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003 11:23 AM by Alan Bostick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #3 from Kate Nepveu</title>
         <description>comment from Kate Nepveu on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments about the Time Travellers make me want to re-read Kage Baker's Company series, which is an attempt to extrapolate just what you could do with time travel (backwards only, though) plus immortality. (<a href="http://www.kagebaker.com/excerpt.html" rel="nofollow">This excerpt</a> from her first novel explains the setup quite nicely.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003 11:39 AM by Kate Nepveu&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #4 from Keith</title>
         <description>comment from Keith on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the orgone related links. I've been a big fan of Willhelm Reich for years; he's probably my favorite crackpot. They have a bunch of his books at Amazon and  yhey're well worth reading, as they do contain some intriquing theories in the field of psychology, if they are a bit batty.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003 11:55 AM by Keith&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #5 from John M. Ford</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen a bumper sticker (which you can probably pick up at your friendly neighborhood hucksters' room) that reads TELEPATHS' CONFERENCE -- YOU KNOW WHERE, YOU KNOW WHEN.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003 11:58 AM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #6 from Mary Kay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. My. Goodness.  Um.</p>

<p>You know, a guy Jordin used to work with at Livermore is now at Harvard and is actively pursuing research in cold fusion.  He walked into Jordin's office one day during a visit and asked Jordin what he knew about alchemy.  Jordin startled him considerably by know rather more than lead into gold!  Much of it, of course, picked up from fantasy and especially Yarbro's St Germain novels!  Anyhow, apparently there seems to be some real overlap between alchemy and cold fusion...</p>

<p>MKK</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003 12:17 PM by Mary Kay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #7 from Stefan Jones</title>
         <description>comment from Stefan Jones on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This stuff goes from Funny to Sad when you run into college students who take it seriously.</p>

<p>I used to be an active alumni supporter of my undergrad-college SF library. A number of the current-student-members became enthused with alchemy, astrology, psychic powers and the like. They read big thick books about the stuff with an enthusiasm they didn't apply to their course material.</p>

<p>Alas, I made the mistake of razzing them about it. Bad mistake. Belief in this crap was part of their Religion-of-the-moment.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003 12:39 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #8 from Josh Jasper</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere in all this unpacking I have a copy of William Shermer's "Why People Belive Wierd Things."  It's a much better book than the recent release of "Are Universes Thicker Than Blackberries?"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003  1:29 PM by Josh Jasper&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #9 from Claude Muncey</title>
         <description>comment from Claude Muncey on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if we can mix'n'match between these.  For example, if the 3M Velostat from the thought screen helmet would be a good general replacement for aluminium (or more canonical tin) foil we could get AFDB's that wouldn't crease or tear as easily, with a lot less glare.  I'm sure it is the glare that makes everybody look at me funny and back off muttering when I have my beanie on -- Velostat would fix all that and restore my social life . . .</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003  4:18 PM by Claude Muncey&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #10 from Emma</title>
         <description>comment from Emma on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crop circles qualify as great craft if not great art. Some would make great embroidery patterns!</p>

<p>And I will confess a weakness for the Lensman series...admittedly, mostly for the giggles...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003  4:33 PM by Emma&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #11 from Tom Whitmore</title>
         <description>comment from Tom Whitmore on 11.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother got me hooked on the Lensman series when I was quite young. She'd even advance-ordered at least one of them, and got a numbered copy that was inscribed to her. She was as proud of her doctorate as Smith apparently was of his, and had asked for the book to be sent to Dr. Elizabeth Whitmore -- he inscribed it with something about her "prescribing for the world's ills", clearly implying he thought she was a medical doctor.  </p>

<p>It's clear, however, that he really did individually inscribe the advance-ordered copies for individuals -- not common these days!</p>

<p>Cheers,<br />
Tom</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 11, 2003  6:34 PM by Tom Whitmore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #12 from Robert L</title>
         <description>comment from Robert L on 12.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, the Time Trevelers have to be the way they are because only thus will a certain skeptical young man show up, who will be transported back to the past, and alter it ever so slightly so that a certain person doesn't get run over by a bus, and that person grows up to become...etc.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 12, 2003 12:16 AM by Robert L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #13 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, who do you figure is writing that story--Kuttner, Brown, someone else--and for which magazine?</p>

<p>Tom, I'd sort of had in mind that if anyone here were likely to spot the provenance of the title of this post, it was you. And no, it's not Doc Smith, though your Doc Smith story is pretty cool.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 12, 2003  8:27 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #14 from Tom Whitmore</title>
         <description>comment from Tom Whitmore on 12.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't spot the likely sources [which come up in a couple of the (10) Google hits for "chase my aunt fanny"] because, I blush to say, neither has yet caught my fancy. Plum probably will eventually; like Peter Dickinson and Dorothy Dunnett, I just need to hit the right time in my life. And when I do, I have a large box of them from my mother (a big Plum fan). </p>

<p>Cheers,<br />
Tom</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 12, 2003 10:27 AM by Tom Whitmore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #15 from Kevin J. Maroney</title>
         <description>comment from Kevin J. Maroney on 12.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PNH had previously referred to "As James White said, 'Cor chase my Aunt Fanny...'". So, unless White was referring to some previous piece of art, he coined it, and I'm sure his estate will be suing you for violating his trademark. (Whoops, crossed the threads.)<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 12, 2003 11:20 AM by Kevin J. Maroney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #16 from Alan Bostick</title>
         <description>comment from Alan Bostick on 12.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are at least two kinds of people in the world.  The first kind is the sort who, on recognizing an obscure ingroupish reference, jump up and down and yell, "Hey, I got it! I got it! That's what Burbee said to Al Ashley when Ashley called him a bastard!  I'm so smart!"  The other kind comprises the people who nod, smile, and say nothing.</p>

<p>(Tell all the truth, but tell it ... <b>hyphen???</b>)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 12, 2003 12:18 PM by Alan Bostick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #17 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I believe Alan is hinting, rather hermetically, is that Kevin has confused James White with Walter A. Willis.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 12, 2003 12:29 PM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #18 from Daniel Martin</title>
         <description>comment from Daniel Martin on 12.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember once seeing the beginning of some cheezy 80s movie about a psychic detective agency that began with this answering machine message:</p>

<p>"Hello, you've reached the Psychic Detective Agency.  We already know who you are, and why you're calling, so at the sound of the tone, please hang up."</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 12, 2003  1:14 PM by Daniel Martin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #19 from Kevin J. Maroney</title>
         <description>comment from Kevin J. Maroney on 13.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next you're going to tell me that it wasn't Art Widner who overheard the gravediggers saying "But of course that was <i>before</i> the War of Pangalactic Intercession."<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 13, 2003 11:34 AM by Kevin J. Maroney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #20 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop! You're both right. I think. The piece is by Willis, but the line occurs in a quoted dialogue between WAW and James White.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 13, 2003  2:21 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #21 from Tom Whitmore</title>
         <description>comment from Tom Whitmore on 13.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>based on, of course, "Cor chase my aunt Fanny round a gum tree" referenced in both PGWodehouse (the Plum of my earlier note) and a Biggles book; the question of whether Willis ran across the reference in either of those places or from an Unnamed Australian Correspondant will undoubtedly be one of the great mysteries of history.</p>

<p>Isn't amazing what shows up in Google?</p>

<p>Cheers,<br />
Tom</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 13, 2003  4:48 PM by Tom Whitmore&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #22 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on 13.Aug.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That movie was <i>Second Sight</i>, a film that asked the question, "Is America desperate for John Larroquette/Bronson Pinchot movies?</p>

<p>The answer seemed to be "no."</p>

<p>This is the <a href="http://www.imdb.com/Trailers?0098276&screenplay&E11232&13&2" rel="nofollow">trailer></a>.</p>

<p>The film opened with that answering machine message.  Alas, that was the only joke in the show.  It didn't stop them from repeating it, with variations, for the length of the movie.  A comedy needs more than one joke.  Honest.  You could have walked out after the opening titles without missing a thing.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 13, 2003  6:05 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #23 from Jimbo2K3</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of a SNL sketch...</p>

<p>It may look like a bed, but it's really a time machine. You lay down, fall asleep, and when you wake up, BAM! You are in the future!</p>

<p>Of course it only works one way...</p>]]>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #24 from Michael Menkin</title>
         <description>comment from Michael Menkin on 24.Sep.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thought screen helmet is a real device.  The case histories are real.  I still make helmets and send them to people who are abducted to test.  Each helmet takes me 4 hours to make and costs about $35.</p>

<p>For more information on alien abductions, see my new website, aliensandchildren.org</p>

<p>Also see Dave Jacob's website, ufoabduction.com</p>

<p>Thank you.</p>

<p>Michael Menkin</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 24, 2003  3:05 PM by Michael Menkin&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #25 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mr. Menkin. I have no doubt that it's a virtuous action.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted September 24, 2003  5:23 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #26 from Xopher</title>
         <description>comment from Xopher on 20.Oct.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I just saw a Discovery Channel thing about Crop Circles.  Apparently there are some serious people doing research about them -- and yes, they scoff at the notion that they're made by UFOs.  "Authentic" crop circles have some characteristics that two guys with a board couldn't do in a summer night, like expulsion cavities (exploded stems) and 30-50 micron iron spheres.  The researchers are approaching it as a little-understood natural phenomenon, with lots and lots of hoaxers trying to get in on the game.</p>

<p>In the show I saw, the researchers hired a group of MIT students to do a crop circle, approaching it as a set of engineering parameters.  They did a pretty good job (used a little portable microwave thingie to explode the stems, and resorted to explosives for the iron spheres).  One parameter was that they had four hours to do the whole thing from start to finish.  They barely made it.</p>

<p>They also showed some apparent film of a "natural" crop circle forming...there were some ball-lightning-like things over the crop, and the stalks fell down in mere seconds.  </p>

<p>I remain skeptical, but unless the show was an elaborate hoax by or on Discovery Channel, there's stuff there way beyond two guys with a board.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 20, 2003 12:07 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:07:51 -0500</pubDate>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #27 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the alleged live film was infrared, so the bright spots might have just been very hot things.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 20, 2003 12:09 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #28 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 23.Oct.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, the people who do the circles have not only confessed and described at length, they have now made available helpful software for designing your next crop circle. They've also done crop circles that were paid advertisements for well-known businesses.</p>

<p>Maybe some stems got exploded, maybe some iron spheres got scattered. Odd things can happen. But we know who made the circles.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 23, 2003  1:40 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #29 from Jeremy Leader</title>
         <description>comment from Jeremy Leader on 23.Oct.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It bugs me when people who think  crop circles and the like are made by extraterrestrials say "It couldn't possibly have been made by humans".</p>

<p>My response is, don't underestimate your fellow humans' creativity!  Just because <i>you</i> can't figure out how to do it, doesn't mean someone else couldn't possibly have figured it out.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 23, 2003 12:49 PM by Jeremy Leader&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #30 from Xopher</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa, I read their description.  Unless I missed something, it doesn't say anything about the microiron or stem explosion.  And I know they made the commercial ones and the portrait ones and probably hundreds of others.  I'm just saying their claims don't account for all the data observed.  That's it.  </p>

<p>They also admit on their website that they don't make ALL the crop circles in England.  Others have gotten into the act, at least.</p>

<p>Jeremy, I definitely don't think any of the circles, even the ones with the cavities-and-iron, <b>could not</b> have been made by humans.  If they were I'd like to find out WHY more than HOW (though that's interesting too).  </p>

<p>We already know about the two guys with a board, just as we know about the cheeseball out west in this country who walked around with Bigfoot cutouts on his feet - no one but a very naive or unobservant person (i.e. most people) could mistake anything so made for a footprint; it doesn't explain the observations of acquaintances of mine.  (Sure, they might have been lying to me.  But WHY?  I wasn't in a position to do anything, and I was and remain quite skeptical.)</p>

<p>We're talking about <i>accounting for the data</i>.  The two hoaxers' explanation doesn't account for the expulsion cavs or the microiron (and the ones with those are the only interesting ones IMO).  That's all.  If they explain how they did those things too, and why, I'll believe them.  Until then, I'll keep an open mind: not <i>concluding</i> they're a poorly understood natural phenomenon, but not rejecting the possibility either.  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 23, 2003  2:47 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Cor chase my Aunt Fanny &apos;round the psionics lab! -- comment #31 from Xopher</title>
         <description>comment from Xopher on 23.Oct.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let me say that I have no doubt that any of the ones on the Best of 2003 page were made by humans.  They look too "designed."  </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 23, 2003  2:51 PM by Xopher&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:51:45 -0500</pubDate>
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