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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #1 from Jordin Kare</title>
         <description>comment from Jordin Kare on 21.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>... the Religious Experience hot sauce company, makers of sauces called "The Wrath" and "Apocalypse". </p>

<p>I assume you can sprinkle the latter on your meal and have Apocalypse Chow.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  2:30 AM by Jordin Kare&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #2 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And . . . could it be? Yes, the model for "Our Pastor" is none other than Elmer Gantry!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  2:41 AM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #3 from Anita Rowland</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually saw a billboard for <a href="http://www.huggyjesus.com/" rel="nofollow">Huggy Jesus</a> while driving on the West Seattle bridge!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  7:12 AM by Anita Rowland&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #4 from Richard Brandt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's a breath mint! It's a candy mint! It's a Sacramint! (Yes, try new Holy Trinity mints! It's three mints in one!) [Ancient cartoon someone posted on their dorm room in my college days--yes it's that ancient. But sooner or later reality catches up with us all.]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002 10:25 AM by Richard Brandt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #5 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 21.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jor</i>din!</p>

<p>Richard, in one of the booths at the annual Christmas crafts fair in Union Square, the one with the stuffies in the likeness of Freud, Woolfe, Marx, Einstein, and asst'd other intellectual icons, they also sell little tins of post-therapy mints. I think this is a fine idea, but they should be called Pentimentos.</p>

<p>Anita, a full-size billboard version of that thing has got to be weird when you're just trying to get through your morning commute. Huggy Jesus looks like a Braveheart Beanie Baby, or maybe the soft-sculpture version of a tennis-playing Scot. I have sent e-mail to Gadgets for God apprising them of Huggy Jesus' existence. </p>

<p>Just to let everyone know: This morning, the spirit moved me to rewrite the south end of this post.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002 10:51 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #6 from Mary Kay</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Kay on 21.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>    and a Bobble-Head Jesus Doll. </p>

<p>I don't care if it rains or freezes<br />
Long as I got my plastic Jesus<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002 11:37 AM by Mary Kay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #7 from Glenn Hauman</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazingly, there's more.</p>

<p>Over on the Malibulist website, at http://www.malibulist.com/gmlog/00000085.html I make reference to Religious Health Food from the House of David and the wonderfully named jesuschristsuperstore.com.</p>

<p>And I haven't even mentioned the View Askew and Archie McPhee folks.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002 12:03 PM by Glenn Hauman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #8 from Emma</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are just messing with my head, right?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  1:39 PM by Emma&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #9 from Emma</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Theresa, I just went and read some of the King Follett Discourse...and you ARE messing with my head!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  1:44 PM by Emma&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #10 from Mary Kay</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn (et al) House of David has their very own online superstore at http://www.houseofdavid.net/</p>

<p>After you open all those cool Christmas presents, you can have a Biblical feast with your family.</p>

<p>MKK</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  2:35 PM by Mary Kay&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #11 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archie MacPhee occasionally carries weird-ass religio-kitsch from other cultures. </p>

<p>But not weird enough for me. I want a little statue of Ganesh helping a little brahmin kid learn how to ride a two-wheeler. Or of a mounstrous many-mouthed skull-necklaced Krishna helping kids learn to play Cricket.</p>

<p>That would utterly rock.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  3:49 PM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #12 from Madeleine Reardon Dimond</title>
         <description>comment from Madeleine Reardon Dimond on 21.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These beat out the Jesus Christ action figure I saw last week in Woodstock (next to the Sigmund Freud action figures). Too bad they didn't come with accessories.</p>

<p>To approximately quote Anne Lamott out of context, it's enough to make Jesus fall to his knees and drink gin out of the cat dish.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  4:32 PM by Madeleine Reardon Dimond&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #13 from Avram</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobble-head dolls are topped with spherical stasis fields, right?  <br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002  4:37 PM by Avram&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #14 from Christopher Hatton</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan, they do have Hindu kitsch...go to Flushing Queens.  That's wear I got the three-inch Ganesh-ji in (I kid you not) <i>lavender metal-finish plastic</i> that sits atop my monitor at work.  </p>

<p>While there, I also saw a picture of Kali-ji that turns into a picture of Shiv-ji depending on how you hold it.  Also some kitchen thingie (I think it was a ceramic trivet) with the Sanskrit word "OM" and, in small Roman characters, the notation "Om, om on the range."</p>

<p>I swear I'm not making this up.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 21, 2002 11:26 PM by Christopher Hatton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #15 from Jordin Kare</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>the wonderfully named jesuschristsuperstore.com.</p>

<p>Jesus Christ<br />
Superstore<br />
Shop with the Lord and you'll save much more.</p>

<p>Jesus Christ<br />
Jesus Christ<br />
He's got it all at the lowest price.</p>

<p>The only store where you can Save and Be Saved at the Same Time!</p>

<p>[Can't claim that's new; it's run through my head every time I hear the song from JC Superstar for *years*.  Never thought anyone would have the nerve to actually call themselves JC Superstore...]</p>

<p>Jordin</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 22, 2002  2:09 AM by Jordin Kare&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #16 from Jon Meltzer</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>These beat out the Jesus Christ action figure I<br />
>saw last week in Woodstock </p>

<p>Newbury Comics stores (Mass., NH) have the Job action figure. Sackcloth, ashes, bleeding boils. Just what your five-year-old needs. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 22, 2002  8:36 AM by Jon Meltzer&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #17 from Laurie Mann</title>
         <description>comment from Laurie Mann on 22.Dec.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I have a question about Mormons that I probably can't ask "a regular Mormon."</p>

<p>My cousin Heidi lives in San Diego, and we got<br />
together when I was out at Smofcon.  <br />
Her boss's family is Mormon, and we<br />
all know how pro-family Mormons are supposed to be.<br />
However, she said that her boss (and two of his sons) were not allowed to attend the actual marriage service of his daughter because he had some sort of falling out with the church.  He wasn't excommunicated or anything, just not allowed in the sanctuary (tabernacle?).</p>

<p>I don't really understand this.  My in-laws are <br />
Catholic, yet we non-believers have always been<br />
welcome to weddings, funerals, et.c.  It seems to me that a religion that claims to promote the<br />
family would encourage families to attend important<br />
events like weddings.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 22, 2002  9:18 AM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #18 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie, you could ask any Mormon about that; but if what you want is an irregular Mormon, I'm your girl.</p>

<p>Basically, Mormonism is a church with two levels of initiation, and rumors of a third. Profession of faith, baptism, and confirmation (which are rituals anyone can attend) just gets you into the first level. After that you can attend or participate in rituals that take place in the temple if you have a temple recommend, which you can get from your bishop (trans.: your pastor) after an interview in which you swear that you've been behaving yourself like a good Mormon and paying a full tithe. Temple recommends have to be renewed at least once a year.</p>

<p>Temple rituals include full-scale Mormon weddings, sealings, baptism for the dead, and the Endowment ceremony, which last marks the second level of initiation. In a canonical Mormon life, a man would go through the Endowment ceremony before going on his mission, and a woman would do it before getting married. After you've been through the ceremony, you're supposed to wear temple longjohns for the rest of your life, unless you're bathing, swimming, or participating in a sporting event. There's some disagreement as to whether you and your spouse should take them off in one other set of circumstances.</p>

<p>But I digress. Back to the question of weddings. Bottom line: no temple recommend, no admission, no matter what. I was the Maid of Honor at my sister's wedding, but since I was already in dubious standing with the church, I wasn't allowed to attend the ceremony. I was less upset about that than I might have been.</p>

<p>If you've followed me so far, but are thinking that <i>can't</i> be right, since by that logic it would follow that someone who:<blockquote>has been a devout Mormon all his life,<p>but has recently suffered financial reversals,<p>and consequently has failed to give the church its full 10% off the top this year,<p>and who doesn't have enough weasel-nature to lie to the bishop about it,<p>(and who definitely doesn't have enough weasel-nature to print out one of the facsimile temple recommends certain godless websites have mischievously made available to the public)<p><i>could therefore</i> wind up being excluded from his own daughter's wedding--</p></p></p></p></p></blockquote>Congratulations and full points, because that is indeed what happens.</p>

<p>Perhaps you're now wondering about that episode where Christ drove the money-changers from the temple. Don't worry; it'll never happen in a Mormon temple. With that beard and haircut, He'd never get past the front door.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 22, 2002  5:13 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #19 from Laurie Mann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for the education.</p>

<p>Liberal Protestants have things like baptism and<br />
confirmation, but you can always attend any church<br />
function. </p>

<p>About ths only similar thing I can think of in<br />
mainstream Christian sects is you can't take<br />
Communion in certain instances.  In most Christian churches, you can't take Communion until you've <br />
been confirmed (Protestant) or had First Communion<br />
(Catholic).  Also in Catholicism, if you haven't been to confession or if you've been divorced, you're not supposed to take Communion.  But you can still go to mass.</p>

<p>You can even still attend church if you aren't dontating money.  They might try to make you feel guilty, but they don't forbid you from attending.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 22, 2002  7:35 PM by Laurie Mann&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #20 from Myke</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In church yesterday, they handed out tiny plastic baby Jesuses (Jesi?). </p>

<p>Each one of was small enough to occupy the central role in your own dashboard nativity scene, and had "MADE IN CHINA" stamped on its back.</p>

<p>*sigh*</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 23, 2002  6:28 AM by Myke&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #21 from Jane Yolen</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should have actually read: "Made in China by Exploited Children."</p>

<p>Jesus wept.</p>

<p>And the above coming to you from a Jewish Quaker.<br />
(Who knows the second verses to most Christmas carols. AND the descants. Go figure.)</p>

<p>Jane</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December 24, 2002  9:42 AM by Jane Yolen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #22 from lj</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do i purchase the water into wine doll?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2003 12:48 PM by lj&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #23 from James D. Macdonald</title>
         <description>comment from James D. Macdonald on  1.Nov.03</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ashtondrake.collectiblestoday.com/ct/product/prdid-43667.jsp" rel="nofollow">Get it here,</a> lj.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2003  4:00 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Miracles of commerce -- comment #24 from adamsj</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's something similar <a href="http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/7148745.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2003  6:58 PM by adamsj&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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