Making Light :: Hilchos Xmas :: comments http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#comments Language, fraud, folly, truth, history, and knitting. Et cetera. en Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:07:38 -0500 http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/?v=4.34-en Hilchos Xmas If it would confuse you to hear someone describe Ash Wednesday as the day when all the Catholics come to... If it would confuse you to hear someone describe Ash Wednesday as the day when all the Catholics come to... http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html Hilchos Xmas -- comment #1 from Emma comment from Emma on 10.Dec.02 As a good Christian all I can say is "Oy gevalt!"

]]> <p>Posted December 10, 2002 4:07 PM by Emma</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13153 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13153 Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:07:38 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #2 from Mary comment from Mary on 10.Dec.02 Sorry, I just MeFied it, I'm afraid. Google cache is here.

]]> <p>Posted December 10, 2002 4:45 PM by Mary</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13154 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13154 Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:45:47 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #3 from Kate comment from Kate on 10.Dec.02 Hee hee. Oh this is hysterical. I may have to point some friends to see this.

hee hee

Kate

]]> <p>Posted December 10, 2002 4:51 PM by Kate</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13156 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13156 Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:51:49 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #4 from Tim Kyger comment from Tim Kyger on 10.Dec.02 Having been raised a Methodist (athough having been baptised a Catholic -- a dread family secret); and having married into a Reform household; and having already paid for one bat mitzvah (looking toward number two in 7 years. and a bar mitzvah in ten)I had to say I split a gut over this!

Merry Xmas!

Merry

]]> <p>Posted December 10, 2002 10:52 PM by Tim Kyger</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13157 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13157 Tue, 10 Dec 2002 22:52:09 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #5 from Mary Kay comment from Mary Kay on 10.Dec.02 Oh, wonderful! You were on RASFF a couple of day ago, you should drop the url on them as well since Jewish minutiae is one of our favored topics. Or I can if you can't make it.

My favorite thing this year was the Jewish Latino hip hop Hannukah song I heard on NPR. No, really. Is this a great country or what?

MKK

]]> <p>Posted December 10, 2002 11:00 PM by Mary Kay</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13158 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13158 Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:00:43 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #6 from Chris Quinones comment from Chris Quinones on 11.Dec.02 --My favorite thing this year was the Jewish Latino hip hop Hannukah song I heard on NPR.

Damn. I gotta listen to NPR more often.

]]> <p>Posted December 11, 2002 1:11 AM by Chris Quinones</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13159 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13159 Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:11:05 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #7 from Jane Yolen comment from Jane Yolen on 11.Dec.02 Now THAT'S funny!

Heard it before, but it's still funny.

]]> <p>Posted December 11, 2002 7:05 AM by Jane Yolen</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13160 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13160 Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:05:17 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #8 from Myke comment from Myke on 11.Dec.02 Well, I was born and raised a Jew and converted to Christianity (Methodism) about a year ago. So, for me, this is HYSTERICAL. I cannot wait to send it to my father to see his reaction.

]]> <p>Posted December 11, 2002 8:11 AM by Myke</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13161 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13161 Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:11:55 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #9 from Tim Kyger comment from Tim Kyger on 11.Dec.02 MKK ---

I, too, heard that Latino Jewish hip-hop group on NPR the other day (they're specifically Cuban, IIRC)(FWIW). They have a couple of CDs out, I'm told, but damme if I can remember their name. Time to look them up...

]]> <p>Posted December 11, 2002 7:03 PM by Tim Kyger</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13168 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13168 Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:03:10 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #10 from James D. Macdonald comment from James D. Macdonald on 11.Dec.02 Surely you aren't talking about the Hip Hop Hoodios, are you?

]]> <p>Posted December 11, 2002 9:59 PM by James D. Macdonald</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13171 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13171 Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:59:56 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #11 from Myke comment from Myke on 11.Dec.02 Anybody ever heard of the Jewish hardcore band out of Atlanta? They're called "Shalom, Mother".

Seriously. Apparently they've got a serious grassroots following.

]]> <p>Posted December 11, 2002 10:49 PM by Myke</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13172 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13172 Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:49:27 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #12 from Myke comment from Myke on 11.Dec.02 Sorry, band name has a word after Shalom, Mother, which I will leave to your imagination.

]]> <p>Posted December 11, 2002 10:50 PM by Myke</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13173 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13173 Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:50:16 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #13 from Emmet comment from Emmet on 12.Dec.02 Our neighbourhood has started putting up Christmas decorations recently; mostly pretty tasteful, but there's a deeply pass-the-insulin Santa on the inner front door that I've been wincing at every time I come in. Thinking of him as the Kringler Rav somehow makes him a great deal less aesthetically offensive. Thank you.

]]> <p>Posted December 12, 2002 10:48 AM by Emmet</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13178 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13178 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:48:14 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #14 from Mary Kay comment from Mary Kay on 12.Dec.02 Hip Hop Hoodios it is. Apparently there's a whole Jewish Latino subculture going on. At least according to NPR.

Somewhere here in Seattle I saw a poster advertising an X-rated Hannukah celebration featuring the Erotic Klezmer Band (or something like that). Sometimes this world is just too wonderfully weird.

MKK

]]> <p>Posted December 12, 2002 11:23 AM by Mary Kay</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13179 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13179 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:23:02 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #15 from Barbara comment from Barbara on 12.Dec.02 I sent the article to my friend in Jerusalem who noted:
"The letter of approbation from 'K.Kringle, Chief Rabbi of the North Pole' basically says that since he's not privileged to know the English language, he doesn't know if what is written is good or bad. But since no one ever reads the letters of Approbation written for English books, he will assume it's OK.
Thought you'd want to know."

]]> <p>Posted December 12, 2002 3:35 PM by Barbara</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13181 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13181 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:35:53 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #16 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 12.Dec.02 Thank you! I was hoping someone would come up with a translation of it.

]]> <p>Posted December 12, 2002 9:45 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13186 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#13186 Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:30 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #17 from Eloise Mason comment from Eloise Mason on 17.Oct.03 The part that I didn't get until I broke an Orthodox friend with it (and he started laughing before he even got to the English) is that every bit in there except the name of the Kringler Rav is in fact lifted from *real examples* of the same sort of approbation statements. Even the part where the rabbi says he doesn't speak English so he can't speak for the truth or falsity of the following.

I love footnotes. :->

]]> <p>Posted October 17, 2003 2:49 PM by Eloise Mason</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#29854 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#29854 Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:49:09 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #18 from liane comment from liane on 7.Dec.03 Hilchos xmas is wonderful, but it is copyrighted and should not be reproduced even in part, without giving the credit. Better to just give the link

]]> <p>Posted December 7, 2003 11:47 PM by liane</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33732 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33732 Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:47:48 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #19 from Patrick Nielsen Hayden comment from Patrick Nielsen Hayden on 8.Dec.03 First, the original document announces "Permission is granted to copy and recirculate, but only for free, and only if we get the credit (or blame!)." These conditions have certainly been met.

Second, if the actual copyright owners want to express unhappiness with Teresa's quotation of their work, they're free to contact us themselves.

Just for the record, we're discussing the quotation of 406 words out of a 4900-word document which is available for free on the web. Electrolite and Making Light are copyrighted, too, and our work is frequently quoted at greater length than that.

]]> <p>Posted December 8, 2003 10:40 AM by Patrick Nielsen Hayden</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33767 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33767 Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:40:34 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #20 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 8.Dec.03 Not that the extent to which we're sometimes quoted is a reliable rule. I occasionally have to send some newbie weblogger a polite note saying "I'm glad you liked the piece, but the usual practice is to quote a bit of it and link to the rest, not reproduce the whole thing on your own site."

But that's my only quibble. Patrick's right -- which is no surprise, given what he does for a living. (Me too.) Being in copyright does not mean "should not be reproduced even in part," though credit should always be given. In this case, the credit is in the form of the link, which takes you directly to the original post on its home website. You can't read the article without going there.

]]> <p>Posted December 8, 2003 11:34 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33775 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33775 Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:34:30 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #21 from Tina comment from Tina on 8.Dec.03 This is me, boggling at someone instructing Teresa on the topic of copyright: 0_0

]]> <p>Posted December 8, 2003 12:58 PM by Tina</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33790 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33790 Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:58:46 -0500 Hilchos Xmas -- comment #22 from LNHammer comment from LNHammer on 8.Dec.03 This is me, suppressing laughter at work while reading the Hilchos Xmas:

---L.

]]> <p>Posted December 8, 2003 3:00 PM by LNHammer</p> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33808 http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002149.html#33808 Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:00:54 -0500