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      <description>One of the odd things about confidence games is that, structurally speaking, there are so few of them--only about as...</description>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #1 from Glen Engel-Cox</title>
         <description>comment from Glen Engel-Cox on 31.Oct.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, a insightful and witty entry, Teresa.  Over on one of the online communities I hang out in, we've been collecting some of the more innovative spam entries, including news stories about spam tactics, including this one:</p>

<p>with Palestinian cause and Islamic target<br />
September 15, 2002; Almost everyone in the US with an Email address has received an offer from some corrupt official in Nigeria (or some other country) offering a multi-million commission if you will help them move some stolen or mislaid government funds out of their country through your bank account. Such offers are, of course, a scam, and result in the "foreign official" draining any bank account he is told about and begging for just a few hundred more dollars for fees and bribes. But the story now has a new twist. The Nigerian scam artists are sending their Emails to people in Moslem countries (first to identified businessmen in Saudi Arabia and more recently to anyone in many Moslem countries). Their new offer is that these forgotten or stolen or lost millions are being routed to the Palestinian Authority for use in feeding their people and buying guns to continue the struggle (minus a few hundred thousand paid as a commission to any helpful Arab businessman). Reportedly, the scam is enjoying some success from such efforts, as many Moslems are more interested in profiting by helping a good cause than in profiting by helping criminals smuggle their loot out of their country.--Stephen V Cole  <br />
http://strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTIW.HTM</p>

<p>And then there's the wonderful parodies of Nigerian spam that have started to make the rounds, including this one:</p>

<p>Nigerian spam meets... H P Lovecraft? <br />
http://www.geocities.com/steerp1ke/David_Ehi.html</p>

<p>Enjoy!</p>]]>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #2 from David Moles</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I'm pretty sure <a href="http://www.geocities.com/steerp1ke/David_Ehi.html" rel="nofollow">Randolph Carter's conversation with Chief (Dr.) David Ehizojie</a> is legitimate (for some admittedly rather thinly stretched meaning of "legitimate").</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002 12:47 PM by David Moles&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #3 from John Farrell</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Subject: FROM AN AFRICAN WRITER OF SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY</i><br />
Ha! I think just got that one over the last weekend. And I also (every month it seems) get another Nigerian begging for help to move funds from Africa into the U.S., in return for a percentage....<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002 12:54 PM by John Farrell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #4 from John M. Ford</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ten quadrillion dollars (as we systems geeks are wont to refer to "$10,000,000,000 million") is certainly a great deal of money, but of course the US is a wealthy nation and the UK publishes THE ECONOMIST, and it is good to know that this sum will be used for such a worthy cause.  Besides, if it were paid out on a global -per caput- basis (roughly $1.5 million per individual, excluding the Iraqis, of course) it would only cause inflation.</p>

<p>(I could actually talk about scams, but they have been a hobby for a very long time, and we would be here all night.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002  1:24 PM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #5 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, do feel free. Please. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002  1:26 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #6 from Kevin J. Maroney</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I need to start a commonplace book (or implement a stickier brain), because your point about confidence<sup><a href="NOTE" rel="nofollow">*</a></sup>scams being cartoon versions of what the rich actually do reminds me of a recent Paul Krugman piece about an investment instrument which is available only to "qualified investors"--which is to say, people with a net worth significantly higher than US$5 million--which allows a group of investors to hide their income from equities well enough that they can effectively declare any income they want to for tax purposes. (Basically, the investment pool is structured in such a way that it's very hard to determine the basis on which any income is made for any individual investor.) </p>

<p>One of the disgraceful things about the current US legal system is how much is <i>not</i> illegal, or is illegal but has such small risk that it's effectively legal.</p>

<p><a>*</a>Not all scams are confidence scams. I believe that a "confidence game" only refers to a type of scam which entices the mark with an opportunity to take illegal or unscrupulous advantage of others. <br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002  1:57 PM by Kevin J. Maroney&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #7 from Bill Altreuter</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love stuff like this--  thanks for laying out the ontology of the con game.  A terrific book-- that you probably know about-- is The Big Con,which Walter Roy Hill adapted to make "The Sting".  The hilarious thing about all scams like this is that the perpetrators know that they need to work to get the mark's money-- they know better than to think that money can be made any other way.  Of course, then they blow it all at the track or something, but for the most part that's recreation, adn they go into it with their eyes more or less open.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002  5:10 PM by Bill Altreuter&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #8 from Arthur D. Hlavaty</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's a book called _The Informant_, by Kurt Eichenwald, which tells all sorts of wonderfully repulsive stuff about the crimes and culture of Archer Daniels Midland. What starts the whole mess that wound up with major federal cases began back in the 80s when of the corporate geniuses heard of this really clever way to steal money from Nigeria...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002  5:48 PM by Arthur D. Hlavaty&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #9 from Jim Meadows</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>   I was struck by your use of the Omega Trust and Trading scam as an example of the cargo-cultishness of confidence games. The Omega scam was based in the town of Mattoon Illinois, just two counties away from me. As a reporter, I covered a hearing or two, featuring Clyde Hood, the scam's instigator. I admit the main thing that ran through my mind was that Hood must have a lot of personal charm, because he didn't seem all that bright to bring off a scam. The bigger picture, that con games of this nature tap into people's thoughts of some magical level of existence where the elite get their way, never occurred to me. It's something to keep in mind in the future.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002  6:41 PM by Jim Meadows&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #10 from Jordin Kare</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Teresa, where do you file "predicting the market" frauds.</p>

<p>(Mark gets a series of letters offering free samples of investment advice:  stocks X, Y, Z will go up next week -- and they do!  After a few such letters, one comes offering to invest the mark's money, or simply to sell him the next prediction.  The con artist has, of course, sent out hundreds or thousands of letters with different predictions, and followed up on the ones that happened to be correct.)</p>

<p>Seems to me it's not quite the same as #7, although it's related, and it has a large range of possible variations.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002  9:46 PM by Jordin Kare&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #11 from Cory Doctorow</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't miss -- DO NOT MISS -- "The Big Con," the definitive text on grift. Here's a <a href="http://www.mindjack.com/books/bigcon.html" rel="nofollow">review</a> I wrote of it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted October 31, 2002 11:42 PM by Cory Doctorow&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #12 from Stefan Jones</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"cargo cult effigies--of the deals the ruling class cut for themselves . . . But why shouldn't they be the lucky ones, this time around? "</p>

<p>Dead-on target, that.</p>

<p>Teresa, this analysis deserves to be an essay published someplace mainstream and serious.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002  9:29 AM by Stefan Jones&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #13 from Paul Bissex</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece, Teresa. I think your insight about "finally getting in on the games the rich get to play" is spot-on.  (BTW, if you haven't already, you should read the Wired News story from a few months back in which a Nigerian scammer talks about their conscious stylistic and narrative choices.)</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002  9:30 AM by Paul Bissex&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #14 from Jeremy Hornik</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's a great observation.  There's a book in that somewhere...</p>

<p>When I was in college, I did my senior thesis on confidence games in literature and film.  What I came away with was an understanding that a really superior con game implicated the victim (as greedy, irresponsible and often criminal) while elevating the perpetrator... all stated much better as, "You can't cheat an honest man."</p>

<p>I'm not sure exactly what that has to do with effigizing the money machines of the wealthy (something about breaching the social contract by having aspirations above your station.) But con games and scams all seem to mine into the great themes of fiction (class, greed, truth) because they are, in and of themselves, stories.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002 11:47 AM by Jeremy Hornik&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #15 from Alan Bostick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one problem I see with your theory of scam-as-cargo-cult, Teresa, is that the Rich are every bit as vulnerable to such scams as the rest of us.  Heck, remember the business at Enron when the New York investment bank analysts were brought in to see the room full of "traders" busily placing orders to buy and sell energy futures.  It was, of course, nothing but a "Big Store" scam.  Enron took a lot of little people down, but it also took a lot of big people down, too.</p>

<p>And don't get me started about IPOs....</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002 12:01 PM by Alan Bostick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #16 from Alan Bostick</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A peculiar thing about another fandom I inhabit, that of of high-stakes poker players and "professional gamblers" (i.e. hustlers), is that scamming and conning are well-regarded, and a skilled con artist is held in high esteem by the community.</p>

<p>Cheating at cards is Not Done of course (the prevailing ethic is that only someone who is a bad player would need to resort to such a desperate measure), but other scams are fair game.</p>

<p>Here's <a>a rather tidy version of the Wire,</a> ensmalled into a single cab ride.  What's truly entertaining about this story is that it appears in a magazine whose publisher is devoted to "cleaning up poker," doing away with its seedy back-room reputation.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002 12:33 PM by Alan Bostick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #17 from Adam Rice</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. Visions of David Mamet stories danced through my head as I read it.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002  1:20 PM by Adam Rice&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #18 from Steve Cook</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Big Con</i> is a wonderful book; I'm sure everyone heard about <cite>Drake's Fortune</cite>, a recent short book about Oscar Hartzell. I recently reread <cite>The Baron of Arizona</cite>, an account of forger James Reavis' plan to extort money from wealthy landowners by means of a forged Spanish land grant (and numerous forged supporting documents) that indicated he was the rightful owner of twelve million acres of the Arizona Territory (more info <a href="http://www.snarkout.org/archives/00000198.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, along with some info on Alves Reis, a Portugese forger who almost managed a takeover of the Bank of Portugal). The key with these people was getting some traction and then attempting to buy or bully their way to legitimacy; I'll leave any analogies to legal enterprises as an exercise for the reader.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002  2:43 PM by Steve Cook&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #19 from Robert L</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Big Con is indeed excellent. Another very entertaining book on this subject is Trick Baby, by Iceberg Slim [Robert H. Beck] (Holloway House).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002  6:27 PM by Robert L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #20 from James Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's a site on the various Get Paid To ... do whatever scams:</p>

<p>http://www.geocities.com/acidtestgpts/</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  1, 2002 11:31 PM by James Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #21 from John M. Ford</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor correction: THE STING was directed by George Roy Hill (Walter Hill is another fella) and written by David S. Ward.</p>

<p>The late William Read Woodfield, who with his writing partner Allan Balter was an early story editor on MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE (and heavily responsible for its recurring con-game aspects) noted that at one time, Maurer's THE BIG CON was almost required reading among screenwriters.</p>

<p>Another book worth looking up in this literature is Jonathan Kwitny's THE FOUNTAIN PEN CONSPIRACY,* about ah informal ring of swindlers who were highly active in the Sixties.  Among many other things, they created a phony bank on the Channel Island of Sark to provide bona phonies for their operations.  Kwitny used to work for the WSJ, and has the level of detailed reporting one would expect.</p>

<p>More anon, really -- just perching between days of World Fantasy.</p>

<p>*As I've traveled this world over,<br />
I've met lots of funny men;<br />
Some'll rob you with a six-gun,<br />
Some with a fountain pen.<br />
               -- Woody Guthrie</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2002  1:57 AM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #22 from Laurie Mann</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked, yes, shocked that this version of<br />
the Nigerian scam has not been discussed here.<br />
I don't know who wrote it, I only know I send it<br />
to anyone who sends me a variant on Nigerian spam:</p>

<p> DEAR friend.</p>

<p>I AM PRINCESS LEIA ORGANA ONLY SURVIVOR OF THE ROYAL FAMILY OF ALDERAN (ALDRN).</p>

<p>I AM MOVED TO WRITE YOU THIS LETTER, THIS WAS IN CONFIDENCE CONSIDERING MY PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE AND SITUATION.</p>

<p>I WAS FALSLEY IMPRISONED UPON THE IMPERIAL BATTLESTATION ("DEATH STAR") WHEN MY PLANET WAS HIDEOUSLY DESTROYED AND ENDED BY THE BVERY BAD SITH LORD VADER.</p>

<p>I ESCAPED ALONG WITH THE AID OF BRAVE REBELS AND WOOKIES, AND AM NOW I AM LYING LOW DUE TO THE SITUATION IN THE 4TH MOON OF YAVIN TILL WHEN THINGS GETS BETTER.</p>

<p>I HAVE CONTROL HERE OF THE SUM OF $25, MILLIONNN IN IMPERIAL CREDITS DEPOSITED WITH A SECURITY COMAPNY FOR SAFEKEEPING ON TATOOINE.</p>

<p>THE FUNDS WERE SHIPPED BY A COURIER SERVICE AS DIPLOMATIC ITEMS OF HIGH VALUES TO PREVENT THEM FROM KNOWING THE CONTENT.</p>

<p>WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO friend IS TO INDICATE YOUR INTEREST THAT YOU WILL ASSIST ME BY RECEIVING THE MONEY ON OUR BEHALF ON TATOOINE AND ASSIST IN INVESTING THIS MONEY IN ANY LUCRATIVE BUSINESS LIKE MOISTURE FARMS AND STOCK IN MULTI-PLANETARY COMPANIES AND OTHER SAFE LUCRATIVE INVESTMENT IN YOUR SECTOR.</p>

<p>MAY I AT THIS POINT EMPHASISE THE HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENTIALITY, WHICH THIS BUSINESS DEMANDS, AND HOPE YOU WILL NOT BETRAY THE TRUST AND CONFIDENCE WHICH I REPOSE IN YOU.</p>

<p>IN CONCLUSION,IN THE EVENT YOU ARE INTRESTED TO ASSIST ME I WILL LIKE YOU TO CONTACT MY LAWYER WHO I HAVE STATIONED IN MOS EISLEY TO WITHNESS THE TRANSACTION TO IT'S CONCLUTION.</p>

<p>YOU CAN REACH HIM ON HIS DIRECT LINE VIA MAIL [email removed for protection], HIS NAME IS WATTO THE TOYDARIAN, I HAVE THE FULL TRUST IN HIM.</p>

<p>FINALLY, I HAVE SET ASIDE 15% OF THE TOTAL SUM OF THE FUNDS FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE,AND 5% FOR ANY ESPENCES THAT SHALL BE INCURED DURING THIS TRANSACTION.PLEASE BE FREE TO DISCUSS WITH MY LAWYER.</p>

<p>I SINCERELY WILL APPRECAITE YOUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.</p>

<p>HELP US, friend, YOU ARE OUR ONLY HOPE.</p>

<p>BEST REGARDS,<br />
PRNCSS. L. ORGANA</p>]]>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is probably a belief on the part of many of the people taken in by these things that all wealth comes from scams, so why not this scam? I suppose such scams do best in two times: during investment bubbles, when they seem most plausible, and during hard times, when people desperately want to believe. When scams are so successful, it's hard to persuade anyone--rich, poor, or in-between--to stick to doing real things of actual value.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2002  7:12 PM by Randolph Fritz&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a different take on fraud-- a very recent high-tech forgery of sorts on a subject near and dear to my heart, to the tune of $3 million-- <a href="http://glennhauman.malibulist.com/gmlog/00000037.html" rel="nofollow"> check out my blog</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  2, 2002 10:21 PM by Glenn Hauman&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, I'm having trouble with your blog. I gave it my credit card number and my bank account, just like it said, but I still can't seem to get to the page. I'll give it just one more try, but if it won't accept Pay Pal, I don't know what else to do.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2002 12:22 AM by Kip&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>http://www.alsirois.com/writing/agent01.htm for a story about a bogus literary agency.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2002 10:20 AM by James Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the dust settles from WFC, I would highly commend to everyone who cares about cons and scams, but especially to Mike Ford, to see the movie NINE QUEENS, now newly released on video.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2002  2:39 PM by Alan Bostick&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Nine Queens" is indeed a fresh take on the con game. Mamet's "House of Games" is also good of this sort, though overly serious in tone.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2002  9:24 PM by Robert L&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the Nigerian spam/fraud goes, I trust everyone has seen the Adventures of Wendy Wilcox and her dog Willis?</p>

<p>http://www.angelfire.com/comics/wendywillcox/</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2002 10:48 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And still more, this being the Make Money Fast Hall of Humiliation.</p>

<p>http://www.mmfhoh.org/?target=columns</p>

<p>I'm not seeing so many Make Money Fast letters anymore.  Either people are getting smarter, or the spam-filters are getting better.</p>

<p><br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  3, 2002 11:13 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #31 from Richard Brandt</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By a fabulous coincidence, in my emailbox this morning is a variant on the Nigerian scam, only not-so-subtly tailored to appeal to racist sentiments as well: White Zimbabwean farmers exiled to Angola, and as ASYLUM SEEKERS not entitled by the Angolan government to certain financial rights, such as the 30 million dollars in a European bank which their father willed them just before Mugabe's supporters shot him to death and burned his farm down. (You know the rest.) Fascinating stuff, wot?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  4, 2002 11:18 AM by Richard Brandt&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #32 from Chuck Divine</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've taken to replying on occasion to the 419 scams as</p>

<p>Chuck <br />
Vulcan Senator<br />
Ambassador Plenipoteniary to Earth<br />
Federation of Sentient Planets</p>

<p>What initially surprised me was that some of these fools responded to me.</p>

<p>Once, when someone asked me for a picture of Vulcan, I sent him one of my pieces of SF art (see http://home.att.net/~chuck.divine/sfart/).</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  4, 2002  3:37 PM by Chuck Divine&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #33 from John M. Ford</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Know ye then, that our Parents were driven forth from the land of their sole possession and birthright, by an angel which did bear before him or her an flaming sword.</p>

<p>2.  Before they did pass from this life, these our parants did reveal unto us the location of the Tree of Life, which is like unto an antioxidant and Botox in the selfsame fruit.</p>

<p>3.  Be aware that your name was shewn unto us by the Knowledge of Good and Evil, nor is this Spam; and verily do we hope that with your good aid, may the Land and the Trees thereon be restored unto us.</p>

<p>4.  Please delay not, as time is short, and I fear some falling out with mine brother, who is not an Arborist, that should bring your efforts to nothing, a woeful outcome indeed. </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  4, 2002  3:43 PM by John M. Ford&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #34 from Bob Webber</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't go as far back as Dr Mike, but note that "to be sold a bill of goods" by a con artist was proverbial in Elizabethan times.</p>

<p>The idea of a comedy featuring a con artist goes back at least to 1610 and <a href="http://www.levity.com/alchemy/jn-alch0.html" rel="nofollow"><i>The Alchemist</i> by Ben Jonson</a>.  If you can get past the archaic colloquial speech of some of the characters, this is a truly rich comedy.  Jonson's comedy is very much like the confidence trick comedies of the present day, with the exposition of the nature of the tricksters followed by a series of expositions of the scams in progress and the corruptness of their victims.</p>

<p>The climax comes about, as in modern comedies, as the conspirators' greed continually increases the pace and number of scams and as the gambler Pertinax Surly tries to get his friend, the fat knight Sir Epicure Mammon, out of the Alchemist's clutches and snap up a loose widow (Dame Pliant) to be getting on with.</p>

<p>It is a nice, compact caper comedy which ends by pointing out that we are less than outraged by fraud (at least when perpetrated on others or to ourselves to a degree that's easy to ignore) because we find the variations of the fraud mechanism as irresistably funny as the seventeen modes of slip-and-fall humor.<br />
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  4, 2002  7:52 PM by Bob Webber&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #35 from Scott Lynch</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it's difficult to top the Yellow Kid, my personal favorite grift of all time has to be when "Count" Victor Lustig sold the Eiffel Tower to scrap metal dealers... twice.</p>

<p>http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/lustig/</p>

<p>Cheers,</p>

<p>SL</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  5, 2002  1:00 AM by Scott Lynch&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #36 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go on, Arthur. How does Archer Daniels Midland connect with Nigerian 419s?</p>

<p>Jordin, I'm not sure where to file the half of half of half market-prediction scam, but I've always admired its elegance. ... Yeah, I think you're right, it belongs in Category 7.</p>

<p>Stefan, from your mouth to God's ears.</p>

<p>Jeremy, I'm inclined to believe that the existence of the superior con game that implicates the victim and elevates the scammer is a self-justifying hero-tale told by the grifter tribe. It's not true that you can't cheat an honest man. Sure, tax-avoidance schemes only work on people who're trying to avoid paying their taxes. But look at the Omega bank debenture scam. People who fall for it think it's a legit investment mechanism that's normally inaccessible to persons of moderate income. Given that setups like the one Kevin Maroney describes actually exist, where's the dishonesty in falling for it?</p>

<p>I'm an American. We don't believe that having aspirations above one's station is a breach of the social contract.</p>

<p>I agree, absolutely, that con games are a variety of microtheatre -- a characteristic they share with magic tricks. It's what makes them interesting.</p>

<p>Alan, the rich are <i>not</i> just as vulnerable as everyone else. When was the last time you saw one of them selling Amway? The rich have access to professional-quality advice and money management services. They may have occasional episodes where they're overpowered by greed and throw caution to the winds, but that's only a fraction of the pattern. </p>

<p>Jim, thanks for the links. I've incorporated some of them into the original post.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  6, 2002  8:23 AM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I comment here that a flag with a gold-fringe border is <i>not</i> a "maritime flag of war"?</p>

<p>A flag with a gold fringe is an indoor flag.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  7, 2002 11:46 AM by James Macdonad&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, James. You would know.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  7, 2002  6:45 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #39 from Stephen M. St. Onge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My alltime favorite scam was an IPO during the South Sea Bubble:</p>

<p>"An Undertaking of Great Advantage, but No One to Know What It Is."</p>

<p>He spent a day collecting, then left town in a hurry.</p>

<p>When I'm in the mood, I send the 419 scammers the following letter in reply:</p>

<p>From: laura419@hotmail.com</p>

<p>To: </p>

<p>Subject: REQUEST FOR CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS TRANSACTION</p>

<p>ATTN: President/CEO</p>

<p>I am the widow of the late President George W. Bush of the United States of America.  I am writing you this letter in confidence regarding my current circumstances.</p>

<p>I escaped the United States ahead of death squads with my husband and two children Jenna and Frank, moving first to England and then, when my husband's political enemies took power there, to Austria.  All of our wealth, obtained legitimately through baseball, oil drilling and insider trading, was seized by the new government of the USA under the despotic regime of (Dr.) Noam Chomsky, except for the contents of a few Swiss bank accounts.  These bank accounts, which contain social security lock-box funds and the bulk of the 2001 budget surplus, could not be accessed by me or my children, due to agreements made between the socialist government of the USA and Swiss bank regulators.  They seized our ranch in Crawford, Texas and now use it to teach homosexualist propaganda to schoolchildren!</p>

<p>When my husband died during a visit to the Mr. Salty factory here in Vienna, I decided to lie low, changing my identity and communicating only through Mrs. Peggy Noonan.  However, now that Chomsky is dead of apoplexy, my advisors suggest that the time is right for me to transfer some of these funds.  I will wish to deposit $1,250,000,000 in a bank account for certain purchases, investments and other safe and reliable business opportunities.  Please respond to this letter and indicate your interest in receiving the money for us.  I will stress again how important confidentiality is; my husband's political enemies would like nothing better than to see me made penniless and our hard-earned retirement funds turned over to Tom Daschle.</p>

<p>Please respond with your contact information, including fax and telephone numbers, to signal interest in this mutually beneficial transaction.  I will provide an introduction to my son (Frank), who will work with you in determining the logistics of the transfer and the method and amount of your remuneration.  I would contact you via phone directly, but a spot of trouble in my youth has made me doubt myself around heavy machinery.</p>

<p>In sincere anticipation of a productive relationship,</p>

<p>Mrs.  George W.  Bush</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November  9, 2002 10:17 PM by Stephen M. St. Onge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice 419. Yours? And thanks for reminding me of that bubblet. The scheme was brilliant in its purity.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 10, 2002 11:44 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Teresa notes:  "Sure, tax- avoidance schemes only work on people who're trying to avoid paying their taxes."</p>

<p>But listen:  Isn't that too a parody of the tax-payments of the rich and powerful?  Who pays more taxes: Your Average Joe with a mortgaged house in the suburbs, or George W. Bush and his twenty closest friends combined?</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 20, 2002  1:31 PM by James D. Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[столб от 211.232.186.113]</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010  1:48 AM by [спам удален]&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #43 from Earl sees spam at 43</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That phone number shows up over 500 times online.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010  2:32 AM by Earl sees spam at 43&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the 21st century...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010 11:08 AM by Russian spam, no less&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stale links from the OP:  "High-pressure tactics" is gone.  The "Jamaican switch" link is gone, but <a href="http://www.granbury.org/index.aspx?NID=97" rel="nofollow">Here's a list of scams on the same site</a>.  "Opportunities" goes to Geocities and is gone.</p>

<p>While I'm at it, a few links for the Spanish Prisoner:  <a href="http://www.celtnet.org.uk/internet-scams/spanish-prisoner.php" rel="nofollow">Celtnet</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Prisoner" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>, <a href="http://www.fhando.com/spanish.html" rel="nofollow">Marauders at the Silicon Gates</a>, <a>Snopes (as "Nigerian Scam")</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010 12:01 PM by David Harmon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's something ironic about seeing it turn up on this particular thread...</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010  3:35 PM by presaged bourbons&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010  4:41 PM by David Harmon was caught by the filter&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>David @ 48:</strong></p>

<p>Actually, the gnomes tell me that last b0rked link is the thing that made your comment stick in the <em>Ingenious and Intricate Mechanism for the Publication of Opinions, Commentary, Light Versifications,  Word-play &c.</em></p>

<p>Much though I prefer preventative contols to detective ones, I am afraid that in this case I am forced by circumstances to suggest that the best solution would be to check at preview.</p>

<p>Must dash now&mdash;</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010  4:53 PM by abi&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #49 from Serge</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>abi</b> @ 49... <i>Must dash now</i></p>

<p>Punctuality <i>is</i> a virtue.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010  5:06 PM by Serge&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #50 from Mark</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there's always time for abi's periodic reminders.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 23, 2010  6:46 PM by Mark&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #51 from Leroy F. Berven</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the commatators.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2010  1:09 AM by Leroy F. Berven&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or even apostrophized.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August 24, 2010 10:24 AM by Mary Aileen&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Link in the username suggests it's potted meat product with a foreign language on the tin.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 29, 2010  7:09 PM by Rikibeth sees spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #54 from Paul Duncanson Sees Spam</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can't have spam, egg, sausage and spam without the spam!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 29, 2010  7:09 PM by Paul Duncanson Sees Spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The website linked to the commenter's name is setting off my spam sensors.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted November 29, 2010  7:11 PM by Lexica suspects spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <description>comment from David Harmon on 27.Mar.11</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linkwatch:  T's "bit of effrontery" has a server error on that page; they seem to have switched to <a href="http://www.theinformationcenter.com/" rel="nofollow">bundling all their documents into one $37 blivet</a>.  Also, <a href="http://quatloosia.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Quatloos! has moved here</a>.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted March 27, 2011 11:15 AM by David Harmon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, this has been discussed elsewhere on ML, but apparently not noted here:  The "vanity press" scammers such as AuthorHouse fall under "Spanish Prisoner" scams.  The McGuffin for those is "Being a Published Author", with an optional side of "Wealth And Fame"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted March 27, 2011  1:15 PM by David Harmon&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #58 from Jim Macdonald</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/sovereign_citizen_thrown_out_of_pizza_chain_bankru.php" rel="nofollow">Sovereign Citizens vs Bankruptcy Court</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
The case centers around Giordano's owner John Apostolou, who was forced to give up his control of the pizza chain, which he's owned since 1988, after his businesses fell into $45.5 million worth of debt. The chain has been under bankruptcy protection since February, but Apostolou only lost control after he submitted some court filings in the style of the sovereign citizen movement. One filing declared that Apostolous and his wife are "American Freemen, free inhabitants of the Illinois state, and we find it impossible to obtain State declared Legal Tender at Law." They also said they don't believe in U.S. currency or the legal system, typical beliefs of sovereign citizens, who generally consider almost all branches of the U.S. government to be illegitimate.</blockquote>

<p>It didn't work.<br />
</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 29, 2011  4:38 PM by Jim Macdonald&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #59 from debcha</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! Scam as cargo-cult effigy is the general version of the the special case I've been thinking of recently.</p>

<p>As an academic, I frequently get e-mails from 'predatory publishers'--sites that purport to be online, open-access peer reviewed journals (here's an <a href="http://www.sciencepublishinggroup.com/home/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">example</a>). I've been thinking that it's cargo-cult academic publishing--that it takes a form that is nominally similar to real journals (editorial board, 'peer review', albeit with risibly short turn-around times, 'open-access'). So you can pay to 'publish' your work in these faux-journals, and all of the benefits of being a scholar will magically accrue to you without having to do the hard work of a) doing research and b) convincing others that it's worthwhile.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted February 11, 2013  2:23 PM by debcha&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #60 from Serge Broom sees SPAM</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spam in a few places</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted August  2, 2014 11:49 PM by Serge Broom sees SPAM&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #61 from David Harmon flags the gnomes for maintenance.</title>
         <description>comment from David Harmon flags the gnomes for maintenance. on  1.Dec.15</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The "high-pressure tactics" link from OP#2 leads to a broken link at the Singapore Police site.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted December  1, 2015  8:25 AM by David Harmon flags the gnomes for maintenance.&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #62 from topsneakerworld99</title>
         <description>comment from topsneakerworld99 on 25.May.18</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cheap--shoes.com/" rel="nofollow">cheap--shoes</a>, <a href="http://www.maramoves.com/" rel="nofollow">maramoves</a>,<br />
[url=http://www.topsneakerworld99.com/]topsneakerworld99[/url]<br />
 <a href="http://www.topsneakerworld99.com/" rel="nofollow">topsneakerworld99</a></p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted May 25, 2018 11:58 PM by topsneakerworld99&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>The underlying forms of fraud -- comment #63 from Tom Whitmore sees spam</title>
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         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obvious; and so appropriate on this thread!</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted May 26, 2018 12:56 AM by Tom Whitmore sees spam&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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