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      <description>The Claddagh Ring......The Rest of the Story is a splendidly loony page devoted to denouncing and vilifying (and Bauchling and...</description>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #1 from Christopher Hatton</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher Hatton on 18.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"When out on the lawn there arose such a claddagh<br />
I sprang from my bed to see what was the maddagh."</p>

<p>Did you know that "Claddagh" is an anagram of "glad Chad"?  Coincidence?  Perhaps.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 18, 2002  3:51 PM by Christopher Hatton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #2 from John Farrell</title>
         <description>comment from John Farrell on 18.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I'm amused and bemused. I wonder why the hostility? Speaking as someone who is Irish, I always took it as something  common and harmless. I had no idea it provokes so much ire...</p>

<p>Best,</p>

<p>JF </p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 18, 2002  7:57 PM by John Farrell&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #3 from Mary Kay Kare</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Kay Kare on 18.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, part of my ethnicity is Irish and I love Ireland more than any place on earth (going back in Oct. I think) and I have to say I agree with the writer of the page.  I think the hostility is provoked by the fact that it is, as Teresa says, butt-ugly.  And as the writer of the page tells us, it ends up *everywhere*.  To have such an ugly thing be so omnipresent and come, in the minds of many, to represent Ireland, is, well, hostility making.  </p>

<p>I'll have some nice knotwork, thank you very much.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 18, 2002  8:58 PM by Mary Kay Kare&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #4 from Christopher Hatton</title>
         <description>comment from Christopher Hatton on 18.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I think Teresa was saying that the Web site was butt-ugly.  Claddaghs aren't ugly "in a strikingly original way," nor do they use column width for emphasis.</p>

<p>Don't most people think of shamrocks first?  I mean, look a' the Aer Lingus logo.  </p>

<p>Personally I think Claddaghs are cheesy, due to heavy-handed symbolism (clonk!  Ow, I've been hit on the head with a Thematic Element!), but butt-ugly?  Naw.  Not interesting enough for that.  Besides, it's been popular for a long time...I guess h.h.s. sells, eh?</p>

<p>Or as my friend David likes to say, usually when watching a Z movie in fascinated horror, "Behold the power of cheese!"</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 18, 2002  9:14 PM by Christopher Hatton&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #5 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 18.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant the page was butt-ugly. Claddagh rings are so traditional that I've never thought of them as being in the same design universe as art metalwork. They belong with Joan the Wad, American eagle tattoos, bikers' skull-faced silver rings with ruby eyes, dashboard statues of Jesus, and the "nightfall" presentation at Roadside America: numinous folk art, and as such outside most normal standards of judgement.</p>

<p>While the page is in fact butt-ugly, I have to admit I kind of like it. If there's such a thing as primitivist outsider art web design, that page is it.</p>

<p>As for the hostility, my insupportable blue-sky guess is that the person who created that page is an artist who's gotten tired of watching claddagh-decorated tat outsell everything else in the crafts market, including original work of superior quality.</p>

<p>You hear these rants from artists who work in the front-line trenches. Where I grew up, the equivalent emblem was roadrunners. Tourists loved them. If you made three of some craft object, one with a roadrunner and the other two decorated with any other design under the sun, the roadrunner piece is that one that would sell.</p>

<p>Moralists and goody-two-shoes reformers fret when people display a taste for art they think is bad. What drives artists crazy is watching people pass up good work to buy the bad.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 18, 2002 11:25 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #6 from Mary Kay Kare</title>
         <description>comment from Mary Kay Kare on 19.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  At first, I too thought she meant the page was butt-ugly, then my distaste for the claddagh convinced me she meant that.  Ah well.  Not the first time I've been wrong.  And I have never bought anything with either a claddagh or a roadrunner.</p>

<p>MKK</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 19, 2002  8:48 PM by Mary Kay Kare&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #7 from Alison Scott</title>
         <description>comment from Alison Scott on 20.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean like my parents' sand art painting of a roadrunner, purchased, well, somewhere in New Mexico or Arizona, don't you? I can tell.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 20, 2002  7:46 AM by Alison Scott&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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         <title>Go ahead, tell us what you really think -- comment #8 from Teresa Nielsen Hayden</title>
         <description>comment from Teresa Nielsen Hayden on 20.Jun.02</description>
         <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sure theirs is an especially nice one.</p>]]>
	 &lt;p&gt;Posted June 20, 2002  2:50 PM by Teresa Nielsen Hayden&lt;/p&gt;</content:encoded>
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